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#1 2008-06-16 18:27:33

axolotl
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Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

I found two kids playing violin and shamisen respectively (and the shamisenist SINGING TUVAN OVERTONE MUSIC) on youtube.  Who could those kids be?  Carl Abbott's kids, natch.  He of the shakuhachi instruction manual that, a few warts aside, is pretty darn good.  Anyhow, the youtube link led me to his family's blog. 

http://www.abbottfamilyblog.com/

Whole lotta music going on in that family.

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#2 2008-06-16 20:41:45

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Make sure to click through to their business at www.playingbyear.com

His approach is simply a pure joy to read about.   I get very inspired and excited by efforts to put music making back into people's daily lives.

Thanks for posting this!!!

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#3 2008-06-17 15:36:25

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Can you post a link to the video?

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#4 2008-06-17 15:50:18

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

one of my teacher is Ran Blake. He learns all his music by ear. Also for his classes we learn all the music by ear.
The guy is amazing!
http://www.ranblake.com/

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#5 2008-06-24 17:48:34

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Ima, here ya go:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Y81D3QZVUE

Now those are some diversely talented kids. 

Their blog continues to rule.  I want to move to the Central California coast and play flutes and grow organic veggies now.

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#6 2008-07-05 13:17:13

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

I bet those kids have a fun time in school.

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#7 2008-07-05 22:48:39

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

What a coincidence... when I finally got around to checking out this post, I just happened to be listening to Kronos Quartet's _Early Music_, which has some Tuvan throat singing. Are there any other throat singers among us (I can imagine a powerful throat singing duet with shakuhachi).

Zak -- jinashi size queen


塵も積もれば山となる -- "Chiri mo tsumoreba yama to naru." -- Piled-up specks of dust become a mountain.

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#8 2008-07-05 23:09:57

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

i did a song with throat singing & Taimu,,scary-very scary:-)

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#9 2008-07-06 03:23:36

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!


imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete.

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#10 2008-07-08 10:20:18

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Also interesting are the results one gets when doing the very low note chants (with harmonics) while playing. Finding the best length/bore combination to match your air column is important, so don't get discouraged if your favorite instrument doesn't work well right away.


Develop infallible technique and then lay yourself at the mercy of inspiration. - Anon.

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#11 2008-07-08 12:00:29

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Hey Zak,

Zakarius wrote:

What a coincidence... when I finally got around to checking out this post, I just happened to be listening to Kronos Quartet's _Early Music_, which has some Tuvan throat singing. Are there any other throat singers among us (I can imagine a powerful throat singing duet with shakuhachi).

Zak -- jinashi size queen

I met the musical group URAGSHA from Buryat Mongoliia sometime around in 1997. The two on right and middle are husband and wife, Sayan Zhambalov and Erzhena Zhambalov.  The third musician is Battuvshin. They are traditional Buryat musicians who are open to experimenting with new music.

http://www.yungflutes.com/logphotos/buryat3.jpg

They stayed at the La Mama artist residency when they performed a music /dance/theater piece called Virtual Souls directed by Virlana Katz. I was lucky enough to have been an artist in residency at the time. We had a lot of incredible jam sessions flavored with their "imported" Russian Vodka. The shakuhachi and Sayan's throat singing collided many a times. I could only describe it as dark heaven. Sayan's has a huge voice that rattles the room (more than a "honking" shakuhachi). And if you're next to him while he's singing, you may feel to urge to step away as it feels as if his head is about to explode. It's quite intense both aurally and viscerally.

Over the course of their stay, we connected really well over music. There was a language barrier, but every evening they would set down a bottle of vodka after dinner and we'd play into the night. Sayan also gave me throat singing lessons a few times. The timbre structure seems similar to the shakuhachi; there is a fundamental note and then it gets pushed into harmonic overtones. A throat singer produces at least two tones to make a chord and then there are overtones. The mouth cavity shapes the timbre so that the singer can shape the tone for the highs or lows (Nyokai mentioned on another thread, it's like EQing).  Through a translator, Sayan said the action to make the initial sound is similar to what happens when one vomits. The abdomen pushes with intense pressure and the throat directs the sound through the top of the skull. After the technique is learned the singer can back off with the pressure. I found a lot of similarities with shakuhachi playing.

I've met, worked and played with a lot of different kinds of musicians at La Mama. I always wished I could've have recorded the jams with URAGSHA.

Anyone know the Ukrainian saying for "Cheers!"?

Anyhow, cheers! Perry

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#12 2008-07-08 12:59:01

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Thanks for the insights, Perry -- you've certainly had some unique experiences wink  I honestly think that people with the means should explore this futher. Geni made & emailed me a kick-ass recording of him playing shakuachi digitally merged onto a Tuvan throat singing track. He's posted it online (link in the following post).

Zak -- jinashi size queen

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#13 2008-07-08 16:18:12

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#14 2008-07-09 03:29:37

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Zak - thanks for the posting and Geni - thanks for making the recording. That's the sound to which I was referring. I do believe, however, this is not Tuva throat singing, but something more like the Gyuto/Gyotu(sp?) monks do. It's a really interesting experience for the chanter and player to be simultaneously both.

later...


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#15 2008-07-09 16:52:29

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

they are from Tuva. Huun-Huur-Tu (name of the group)

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#16 2008-07-10 02:39:57

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Way cool! Thanks for the clarification!


Develop infallible technique and then lay yourself at the mercy of inspiration. - Anon.

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#17 2008-07-10 12:29:19

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Geni, that recording is AWESOME.  Huh, the Tuvans do sound more like the Gyuto monks than I thought they would.   I am more familiar with other Tuvan sounds. 

I recommend anyone who is anyone to go rent Genghis Blues, which is a sweet documentary about San Francisco musician Paul Pena going to Tuva and collaborating with Tuvan throat singers.

And if anyone likes their throat singing with a little rock and roll, check out Yat-Kha.  Ridiculous and sublime.  Albert Kuzevin uses khoomei technique to sing originals and covers about 3 octaves lower than you would expect, backed by a rockin' band. 

http://www.yat-kha.com/index.php

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#18 2008-07-11 00:37:44

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

thanks man.
I have the Genghis blues soundtrack. I love it!!!
They are different styles of Tuvan singing. Don't remember them now:-) I was in workshop by this guys www.alashensemble.com. They were AWESOME!!

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#19 2008-07-11 21:42:53

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

geni wrote:

i did a song with throat singing & Taimu,,scary-very scary:-)

You'll like this.

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7GKKscGSRhk


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#20 2008-07-11 23:00:27

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

Absolutely brilliant, and a respiratory tour de force!!

Thanks, Chris.


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
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#21 2008-07-12 19:15:00

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Re: Carl Abbott has a shakuhachi book; his family has a blog!

o.0

That guy is just amazing.

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