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I do not practice the Shakuhachi. I do, however, meditate and dabble in tai chi. My concentration is menza menz, but I always feel better after than before. I'm come from a slightly different direction (Quaker, not Zen, but find lots of food for thought on Zen websites). I was a classical flutist until college, and then finally made the decision to turn music into a hobby and concentrate on science. I had a few bucks sitting in a paypal account doing nothing for several years, so I ordered some random things from Ebay including a Yamaha fife. (This is going somewhere, I promise). I have been trying to get back into music as well as try new things with my meditation. I had read about suizen, but finding an instrument and a teacher is more involved than I care to be at this point. The Yamaha fife, however, is proving to be rather difficult. Out of curiosity, and with no direction what so ever, I experimented with meditating while playing a single note over and over for about 10 minutes. I liked it - I don't know if I need some more mental prep. before I start, or if I should just do it the same way again or what. I've been doing this a few days now. I had stumbled across this forum several months ago when I first started looking for new ways to meditate, but didn't read much after I convinced myself that finding an instrument and teacher was more than I wanted to invest. But now I'm back. I'm still not ready to get into an actual Shakuhachi practice. I want to continue what I'm doing now with the wrong instrument. So - does anyone have any thing they might want to suggest for someone interested in the meditation aspect of a musical instrument rather than the instrument aspect of Suizen? In otherwords - what can I do with this thing that might parallel the spiritual aspects of Shakuhachi practice without involving the technical aspects?
I found this site originally because of a post by a fellow named John Roff who also discovered Shakuhachi through the Yamaha fife. But never found any specific posts on the practice with a different instrument.
We're music buffs around here - we've also got harmonicas, recorders of various sizes, a guitar, a bass, a viola, a flute. Heck, I've even been tempted to give it a whirl with a pitch-pipe. But right now I'm liking the experience of meditating with my crappy little Yamaha fife. I just thought I'd introduce myself and feel around to see if anyone else applies their practice to another musical instrument.
Thanks for being here for me to learn from. The forums are ripe with interesting material.
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Everyone will probably first tell you to get a teacher. However, if you are solely interested in the meditative aspect of things, there are hocchiku flutes that serve such a purpose. Of course, you won't play them to your satisfaction without a teacher.
Not to dissuade you from shakuhachi, but I would think the Native American flute to be much easier to start on--and that doesn't require a teacher--and it's rather meditative.
I personally haven't regretted any of the time or money I have invested in shakuhachi lessons and practice. (Nor the small pile of CDs, a book or two, and of course, the shakuhachi itself).
Enjoy the feedback--I am sure it will be insightful, goofy, and polite.
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Hi. Your post interested me especially because I have a background with the Quakers as well as in Buddhism. I also own a Yamaha fife.
And I tried flute meditation again today with the Shakuhachi Yuu. I've done it before a little with a couple of other flutes.
You'll probably find more specific and detailed meditation advice on here, and I've certainly not done much of it yet, but the way that's working for me is simply to sit until I feel the motivation to play. I then watch the feelings to observe whether I'm in a different state of mind and ready to play meditatively, or whether the desire is just mental fidgeting. Playing notes is a further extension of mindfulness. The sounds tell me something of what's happening - what meditative level (if any) I'm playing from.
The way I'm finding this to work is maybe closer to a Quaker way than to many Buddhist forms of meditation, actually, though there's a strong element of Theravada mindfulness practice and I also sit in front of a Tibetan thangka of White Tara. Like a Quaker sitting, I wait and centre down, and play music from that deeper level. just single notes maybe, or maybe something more complex, depending on what feels right. Just following intuition is the key for me. If I start leading instead of following, it's time to stop, and just sit.
Just for a moment, actually, I wondered if you might be someone I was trying to trace recently. (I'm pretty sure you're not, after reading the rest of your post.) I'm thinking of someone who studied classical flute and made a couple of albums of `New Age' stuff using flute and shakuhachi before setting music aside and studying environmental science. I'm just mentioning that because the path you've taken isn't necessarily an unusual or problematic one. The lady I was thinking of had environmental concerns in the theme of the second album she made, and the move to the scientific work seems to have been a different approach with continuity between it and her earlier musical approach to things. Often what we do is all of a piece, despite apparent differences.
My own return to music happened after several years of Buddhist practice and was simply a continuing stage of development. Everything we do enriches everything else if we allow it to.
Last edited by Sweep (2008-08-11 21:04:51)
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anotheralice wrote:
So - does anyone have any thing they might want to suggest for someone interested in the meditation aspect of a musical instrument rather than the instrument aspect of Suizen? In otherwords - what can I do with this thing that might parallel the spiritual aspects of Shakuhachi practice without involving the technical aspects?
For my own take on meditative aspects of music, see http://dharmasong.com/listening.pdf
Best wishes,
Phil.
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anotheralice wrote:
In otherwords - what can I do with this thing that might parallel the spiritual aspects of Shakuhachi practice without involving the technical aspects?
I honestly don't see what the problem is with finding a cheap shakuhachi to practice with. Most here would probably suggest a plastic kind called a Yuu for around $100, but since your goal is simple tone production rather than traditional music there are even more affordable alternatives on Ebay. Fife just seems a bit too high pitched, one octave above the standard 1.8 shakuhachi. I personally don't use shakuhachi deliberately as a meditative tool, but one reason I like it so much is the way the shakuhachi mouthpiece feels when blown, and I wouldn't be surprised if that feedback is one of the reasons it's supposed to be good for meditation. Since you already play classical flute you probably won't have a lot of problems with the shakuhachi embouchure, it's different and more difficult, but not so much that you won't be able to produce a tone without a teacher, Whatever you decide to do, welcome to the forum!
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