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#1 2009-05-15 20:46:11

ABRAXAS
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Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

So... does anyone know the specs on these massive tree-trunk hocchiku we see Watazumi pictured with on the covers of his LPs etc?

Some of these look even wider than a Taimu.

Not knowing how tall etc. Watazumi was it is difficult to guess the scale from the photos, but easily 2.4-3.0?

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Ps. I finally checked out Sukiyaki and Chips - it was fun to see him interviewed and especially blasting away on the bamboo. Is there more film footage of him?

Also, while they mention his background as a military trainer they are showing kendo/kenjitsu practice, is that what he taught?


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#2 2009-05-16 19:13:22

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

The longest one I can recall being listed on his album liner notes was 3.4 and it sounded like he was really struggling with it on that song. The ones in the pics you're talking about are so fat they wouldn't play in tune in the second octave.

Maybe we need a new term for that kind of flute "fat shakuhachi that only plays midway thru the second octave" any of our linguists want to tackle that? We'll add it to the glossary. cool


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#3 2009-05-16 21:24:46

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

I forgot komuso.com lists the tracks with flute lengths! Thanks for reminding me. So, on some rare occasions it IS the flute. Better to stick with instruments within playable limits.

"fat shakuhachi that only plays midway thru the second octave"  - Maybe frame it in terms of "Watazumimeters."

The Taimu you are using on the youtube video of Kyorei is Watazumily-impressive too.


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#4 2009-05-16 21:35:43

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

ABRAXAS wrote:

The Taimu you are using on the youtube video of Kyorei is Watazumily-impressive too.

Very similar, only good for one octave. 3.0 (D).  That was made from some bamboo Ken and I found in a hardware store in Japan Town. It has now cracked into numerous pieces so that video is the only souvenir.

I think it's good training to try playing weird flutes like that. wink


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#5 2009-05-16 22:13:30

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

I have one "tree trunk" shakuhachi that was a flutemaker's experiment that he gave to me - it is very interesting to play - it is mysteriously in tune with itself, but not "shakuhachi" tuning. Melodies can be had but on it's own terms and it is a challenge to get volume out of it. No 2nd octave (at least not that I can achieve). It is interesting and somehow educational to tinker with, not sure how but somehow. It has a tozan utaguchi inlay big enough to skip across water. I think its almost big enough to hide another shakuhachi in the bore! I'll post pics whenever I get another digicam. wink

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#6 2009-05-16 22:33:45

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

Tairaku wrote:

The longest one I can recall being listed on his album liner notes was 3.4 and it sounded like he was really struggling with it on that song. The ones in the pics you're talking about are so fat they wouldn't play in tune in the second octave.

Maybe we need a new term for that kind of flute "fat shakuhachi that only plays midway thru the second octave" any of our linguists want to tackle that? We'll add it to the glossary. cool

"Shakobesi"

Kel.


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#7 2009-05-17 01:57:17

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

Tairaku wrote:

I think it's good training to try playing weird flutes like that. wink

But the question remains: good training for what? smile


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
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#8 2009-05-17 07:35:00

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

edosan wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

I think it's good training to try playing weird flutes like that. wink

But the question remains: good training for what? smile

Being a weirdo. lol


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#9 2009-05-17 08:47:24

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

Tairaku wrote:

edosan wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

I think it's good training to try playing weird flutes like that. wink

But the question remains: good training for what? smile

Being a weirdo. lol

Which justifies itself. wink


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#10 2009-05-18 03:31:45

Kiku Day
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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

May I join this club of weirdos?
I think this might be more sane than some of the other clubs around.... smile
My Buddhabelly bamboo shakuhachi only plays (or played until it cracked) right in the lower register too.... so I want to join.


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that the Christ's breath moves through
listen to this music
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#11 2009-05-18 06:15:28

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Re: Watazumi's Hocchiku Specs

Yes! The "fat jinashi-nobe shakuhachi that only plays midway thru the second octave" club!

Lets collect honkyoku that only go halfway through the second octave (or else just ignore the KAN sign) and only write our scores in BIG katakana only using REALLY THICK markers! wink

Ps.  I still have two pieces of buddha belly bamboo curing that I intend to make shakuhachi of, just for the fun of it, whenever I'm in the mood to tinker with it.

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