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#1 2009-10-27 15:11:11

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Shinto shakuhachi music?

Does anyone know of any shakuhachi pieces that were written specifically for Shinto?


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#2 2009-10-27 19:18:03

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

The type of flute used in SHINTO "music" is a side-blown one.
It is a type of Shinobue called a Kagura-fue.


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#3 2009-10-28 00:46:30

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Nyogetsu wrote:

The type of flute used in SHINTO "music" is a side-blown one.
It is a type of Shinobue called a Kagura-fue.

They also have a strong connection with Iwabue (stone flute).


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#4 2009-10-28 10:15:14

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Thanks. I knew that the side blown flute was the primary flute used, but was still hoping someone had composed something for shakuhachi.

I like the concept of the stone flute. Off to do some research!


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#5 2009-10-28 13:15:03

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Nyogetsu wrote:

The type of flute used in SHINTO "music" is a side-blown one.
It is a type of Shinobue called a Kagura-fue.

Fujiyoshi Etsuzan, who also plays shinobue, thinks that Kumoi Jishi was originally for 7 holed shinobue.
Shimpo-ryu "Sagariha", which means "returning from matsuri (festival)" is also said to be from shinobue.

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#6 2009-10-28 14:21:40

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Nyogetsu wrote:

The type of flute used in SHINTO "music" is a side-blown one.
It is a type of Shinobue called a Kagura-fue.

Yes in a way but THE Shinto flute in itself is Ryuteki not Kagurabue. Kagurabue as implied in the term is for Shinto dance itself. But in the end either Ryuteki, Kagurabue or Nohkan can be used for the same purpose. There is indeed a difference  but I have seen people use any of those flutes alternately for for Shinto purpose. The difference is not as drastic as comparing Ryuteki,Nohkan and Kagurabue to Shinobue which is in a totally different league.


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#7 2009-10-28 14:25:28

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Justin wrote:

Nyogetsu wrote:

The type of flute used in SHINTO "music" is a side-blown one.
It is a type of Shinobue called a Kagura-fue.

Fujiyoshi Etsuzan, who also plays shinobue, thinks that Kumoi Jishi was originally for 7 holed shinobue.
Shimpo-ryu "Sagariha", which means "returning from matsuri (festival)" is also said to be from shinobue.

Ok but I feel Kumoi-Jishi would be more of a Ryuteki,Kagurabue or Nohkan thing much more than Shinobue. Yes it could be played on Shinobue or even the recorder but the intent and feel in Kumoi-Jishi would be best represented by the first flutes I mentioned. I truly ffel that Kumoi-Jishi as even a touch of Gagaku in there from the piercing effect that is played in the first part and also the types of repetition in it as well.


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#8 2009-10-28 14:35:27

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

My student score book has a piece called Entenraku (SP?), which I believe is from a Shinto ceremony.  The score I have is written for shakuhachi, but my teacher tells me that the shakuhachi is "trying" to sound like a different kind of flute, if that makes sense.


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#9 2009-10-28 14:39:25

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

lowonthetotem wrote:

My student score book has a piece called Entenraku (SP?), which I believe is from a Shinto ceremony.  The score I have is written for shakuhachi, but my teacher tells me that the shakuhachi is "trying" to sound like a different kind of flute, if that makes sense.

Etenraku is one of the main pieces of Gagaku and is played on the Ryuteki.


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#10 2009-10-28 15:56:50

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Etenraku = track 3         smile



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#11 2009-10-28 18:24:12

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Re: Shinto shakuhachi music?

Etenraku on ryuteki with theremin:

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THexrV6FGrw

And here is etenraku arranged for shakuhachi, Tozan notation (direct link to PDF, also has a version of Shika no Tone on the opposite page):

       http://www.musicon.co.jp/etenraku60sikanotoune61.pdf

And here is etenraku on 1.8 shakuhachi from that same sheet (direct link to mp3, right-click and 'save target as...' do download it):

       http://www.musicon.co.jp/60etenraku.mp3

Quite a nice tune in this form, actually.

Lots of other good stuff on the page, too (posted elsewhere previously):

       http://www.musicon.co.jp/kouza.htm

Last edited by edosan (2009-10-28 18:27:21)


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