Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

This guy's rambling bullshit is a very good anti-drug message.

Pro-legalization guys are always looking for connections to legitimize their drug of choice in some sort of meditattive or medicinal way which elevates their quest for a buzz past the level of an empty-headed high school kid to some shaman/guru/super-deep individual.

As an interesting side note in the world of smoke, in the past readers were employed to read to cigar rollers while they plied their craft.  This allowed the usually illiterate rollers to expand their knowledge while hard at work.  A broad spectrum of works were read out loud to the rollers and the names of cigars often were taken from favorite works of literature of the rollers who voted on what they wanted to hear, hence the popular brands/sizes, Romeo and Juileta, Monte Cristo, and apparently Brian's new avatar, Socrates.  Today the practice of hiring readers to read for cigar rollers is still only practice in Cuba.

cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDS0mFbBihg

Gishin wrote:

Anyway if anyone have clear historical links to this it would be very interesting to know about this aspect of Shakuhachi

Dude, like look it up, it's all over the internet http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/101.html Now where did I park my car

Seriously, I'm not sure if I believe the article I provided the link for. I learned a long time ago that not everything you read on the internet is true.

The other thing that is totally misleading about that article is that Hemp for making cloth and ropes is the same plant as what pot-heads like to smoke.  However, I'd urge the writer of the article to puff on a piece of rope and then write about the results.

The manipulation of ambiguities like this scream of axe grinding rather than a desire to discover and record the truth.

Wearing hemp shoes and taking a few bong hits to "meditate" seem like vastly distinct practices.

There are too many very together and successful potheads for you too dismiss them all with a wave of your hand.

I know many of them, and am highly functional myself (at least that is my opinion ).  However, this doesn't make the existence of some pot/Zen historical connection a reality, and I don't hear many of my "very together" friends making these kinds of assertions.  One of the pre-requisits for being "very together," it would seem, is the ability to accept it for what it is and use it rather than to create some mystique around it for the purposes of rationalization or validation.

radi0gnome wrote:

Gishin wrote:

Anyway if anyone have clear historical links to this it would be very interesting to know about this aspect of Shakuhachi

Dude, like look it up, it's all over the internet http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/101.html Now where did I park my car

Seriously, I'm not sure if I believe the article I provided the link for. I learned a long time ago that not everything you read on the internet is true.

Sorry but the article has no relevance to what the guy was preaching in the video or how those potheads are trying to twist facts for their own cause.

Hemp was and as far as I know still used in Japan. The usage was mostly to make textiles and some forms of paper.Never have I heard of smoking or eating for medicinal or recreation purpose. So the variety of hemp Japanese have is not of the narcotic variety. It just so pisses me off when people try to bend stuff just to suit their cause since in the end it makes all users of medicinal marijuana somehow be linked to all those Ftards.

The only real narcotics that cam to Japan was opium from China but when it was found to be very addictive they slammed down importers , users etc quite badly in those days.

dear gishin,

"his assumptions seem self inveted fro his own purpose."

as yours?

"clear historical links to this it would be very interesting to know about this aspect of Shakuhachi but I higly doubt there is any tangible info to support his claims."

below is from the link i've provided.

Zen Hemp Haiku
Zen, the meditative, Taoist influenced branch of Buddhism, was also influenced by cannabis, in the forms of marijuana and hemp. Samurai and scholars who followed Zen's subtle tenets express cannabis' inspiration in arts like Haiku (short poems).

"idiots of his kind"

...

"can only bring more debate and prejudice"

such as?

"to the whole thing."

which is?

deeply,

molado

As everyone hereabouts is painfully aware, Gishin is our one true arbiter and spirtual guide for all things Zen.

Furthermore, he is fastidious in practicing what he preaches.

PS: Gishin doesn't do 'directly'.

Man.......it was truly a bummer and I had to chill with some 'ludes afterwards but reading Gishin's posts makes me think "anger management required". But then I watched Molado's video and it made me feel so good. I am glad to see that scholars and historians have verified my personal insights.

Molado.

You should consider yourself lucky or even grateful I am even answering your senseless jibberish.

There is NO evidence or historical facts that support your bullshit period. Now do I have evidence myself humm well all I can say is that in all credible books on Japanese History and Religion I possess or have had the chance to read at libraries etc I have never seen or heard anything close to what you are saying.


So all I would like to call you is a retard but that would be respectful to mentally challenged people and this is a thing I should not do. So people that know me have seen me use the term Fucktard and this is exactly what fits your personality.

If you want to smoke pot do it i have no issue with that but don't try to bend and twist the truth for your own bullshit.


꺼져라 !

gishin,

"You should consider yourself lucky or even grateful"

why?

"I am even"

who are you?

"answering your senseless jibberish."

please elaborate.

"There is NO evidence or historical facts that support your bullshit period."

because you couldn't find on the web? or because you didn't have a true master?

"Now do I have evidence myself humm well all I can say is that in all credible books on Japanese History and Religion I possess or have had the chance to read at libraries etc I have never seen or heard anything close to what you are saying."

therefore, what i am saying is not true? you are limited, aren't you?

"So all I would like to call you is a retard but that would be respectful to mentally challenged people and this is a thing I should not do."

stupid is stupid does, says mr. forest. gishin, just because you dress up like a monk, that doesn't mean that you are a true meditator or zen practitioner. your prejudgement in any case in your life probably hindered your perspective. i do feel sorry for you.

"So people that know me have seen me use the term Fucktard and this is exactly what fits your personality."

again, logic 101 please. also, name calling won't help your personality. don't you know you are what you call others?

"If you want to smoke pot do it i have no issue with that"

really? it surely doesn't seem so. it seems you are only the one given the right to use cannabis.

"but don't try to bend and twist the truth for your own bullshit."

what's the truth that i am trying to bend btw?

"꺼져라 !"

this is written in korean, used in very low class manner. your prejudice and prejudgement towards people and life only have been plaguing you. i suggest to learn their culture before bad words.

deeply,
molado