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#1 2010-05-21 14:21:48

Christopher B.
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Information for Beginners

Hi all,

yesterday I met a friend of mine who tryed to start playing Shakuhachi. I met alot of players and beginner in the last year and we noticed that it is really hard to get started and get information about the different schools and notation systems. For a beginner it is really curious to see all thoose different signs and read about the different flutes, history and so on.

So I had the idea to create a page (german/english) on my blog where all the information can be found and some basic technics to get started with the different notations. I think alot of people dont start with shakuhachi cause they think it is too difficult and they are tons of different information on the internet. It would be great to create a small guide with information, like what is a good shakuhachi, where to buy a beginner flute and so on, some basic fingering charts for each notation system. Some informations about the different titles etc...

I hope you understand what I mean and I really need your help with that cause I am a beginner too smile

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#2 2010-05-21 14:29:33

Jon K
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Re: Information for Beginners

Hello Christopher,

I've been slowly working on a such a page for my site here (http://www.flutedojo.com/p/shakuhachi-b … guide.html)

Feel free to use any of it in German. If you have any suggestions I would love to hear them.


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#3 2010-05-21 14:37:20

Christopher B.
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Re: Information for Beginners

Thats great,

thanks alot! I think I will use parts of it to get my information together. I slowy started to get information together and will start write it in a good readable form.

Thanks!


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#4 2010-05-21 14:58:57

geni
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Re: Information for Beginners

hi Chris,
Komuso.com shakuhachi.com
& this forum have lots of info

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#5 2010-05-21 15:09:42

Christopher B.
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Re: Information for Beginners

I know but I think that is too much for someone who wants to start with shakuhachi. I started with no information, I never played an Instrument before. I was glad that nearly my first contact was Perry Yung, also I had my first lesson very early. But I think someone who just want to start with it, like me in the past can get easy overloaded by too much information.


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#6 2010-05-21 19:10:12

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Re: Information for Beginners

Christopher wrote:

I know but I think that is too much for someone who wants to start with shakuhachi. I started with no information, I never played an Instrument before.

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   Your reaction shows the need for a good beginner's dvd: "that's too much information"? What is "that"?  The reason for making a good beginner's dvd is to explain the basics, that's all. My first instrument was a shakuhachi too, so I understand what people are going through. Plus, the other reason I know there's a need is because I see what people are going through every day and I know what is effective instruction. Also, I promise to shut up when you push the stop button!


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#7 2010-05-22 07:18:57

Christopher B.
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Re: Information for Beginners

Chikuzen,

I think a beginners DVD is really a great thing. Just a basic explaination is the best at start. I was happy that I met my teacher very early and the only think he showed me was how to hold the flute,  how to make a sound and the basic fingering chart. But know, nearly 2 years later, I want to learn more about the history and the different schools. I think such a DVD is a great think and schould be affortable for all the beginners. I spoke to a friend of mine and he told me that he bought some beginner books and there was to much information about advanced technics in there so he could not understand anything.


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#8 2010-05-22 10:00:07

chikuzen
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Re: Information for Beginners

Right, a common mistake. My son's guitar teacher was trying to have him play Tears in Heaven at the end of his first lesson, making comments like, "look, you just put these fingers here, and that one there, and no, don't do that because you have to...", etc. etc.


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#9 2010-05-22 10:18:12

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Re: Information for Beginners

chikuzen wrote:

Christopher wrote:

I know but I think that is too much for someone who wants to start with shakuhachi. I started with no information, I never played an Instrument before.

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   Your reaction shows the need for a good beginner's dvd: "that's too much information"? What is "that"?  The reason for making a good beginner's dvd is to explain the basics, that's all. My first instrument was a shakuhachi too, so I understand what people are going through. Plus, the other reason I know there's a need is because I see what people are going through every day and I know what is effective instruction. Also, I promise to shut up when you push the stop button!

Is your DVD going to cover breathing? In silver flute teaching it's one of the basics that keeps getting revisited occasionally by teachers for refinement. My limited experience with shakuhachi indicates to me that it is an equally important basic with shakuhachi. Riley Lee's DVD on breathing (even though I think every flute player should own it) isn't specific to musical instruments and doesn't tie the exercises to posture, like any good flute playing video talking about breathing would.

I will be one of the first to buy your basics DVD. Almost all of those advanced techniques are rooted in good solid basics. Often, good solid basics will make the advanced stuff seem simple. My personal opinion is that most advanced techniques were probably invented by someone with extremely solid basics who was just on a roll and exploring.


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#10 2010-05-22 10:26:14

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Re: Information for Beginners

Christopher B. wrote:

Chikuzen,

I spoke to a friend of mine and he told me that he bought some beginner books and there was to much information about advanced technics in there so he could not understand anything.

Tokuyama Takashi's "Path of Bamboo" book keeps things about as basic as you can get. Some people on the forum expressed that they thought it was too basic, but it kept me going for over a year and I never really got to the stuff at the end.


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#11 2010-05-22 10:46:03

Christopher B.
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Re: Information for Beginners

I spoke to friend again, he will help me with sound files and so on. I will make the information available as soon as I have them together, I will make it chapter by chapter so that someone can work trough without any expierence in playing.

First chapter will a short section about the history and the instrument itself. Second will be about making sound and the basic scale in otsu and robuki, also i will add a fingering chart and pictures. Atari and some basics will come soon then.

I am a beginner too so I will update the page if I know more and get serious about what to tell next, step by step. It would be great if I can offer some easy pieces like "marie had a little lamb" cause that helps me alot too but I am not sure about that. I am not a teacher so I will keep things basic as possible it should be just a short introduction someone can work with for a few months before getting a teacher to start with. It will be bad to tell wrong things so I will keep it basic.

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#12 2010-05-22 18:40:04

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: Information for Beginners

chikuzen wrote:

. My son's guitar teacher was trying to have him play Tears in Heaven .

If someone taught my son that insipid piece of morose commercialism I'd cut off his hands and set his guitar on fire! wink


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#13 2010-05-22 22:41:35

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Re: Information for Beginners

Tairaku wrote:

chikuzen wrote:

. My son's guitar teacher was trying to have him play Tears in Heaven .

If someone taught my son that insipid piece of morose commercialism I'd cut off his hands and set his guitar on fire! wink

Stairway to Heaven would have been better.


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#14 2010-05-23 10:27:08

chikuzen
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From: Cleveland Heights,OH 44118
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Re: Information for Beginners

Good advice everywhere. Thanks guys. I should have done so but instead I bought him a sitar his sophomore year in college, like he didn't have anything else to do but tune a sitar all day. He thinks it looks real nice though.

My friend bought a grand piano for $50,000 and spent another lump sum having an electronic device put on it that turns it into a player piano, sort of. It's attached to the keyboard. You can chose the pianist of your choice and hear him play "live" in your living room. My friend is a singer, so he just wants to sing along. Maybe we could invent such a thing to attach to the shakuhachi. Better, I'll convince someone to buy a $50,000 shakuhachi and I'll go to his house and play it. Push my buttons, please!


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#15 2010-05-23 11:31:21

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Re: Information for Beginners

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#16 2010-05-24 06:46:37

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Re: Information for Beginners

OK here's what everybody is looking for:

How to play shakuhachi for beginners. Part 1

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTA0MzYzNjE2.html

Part 2

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTA0MzY1NzA0.html


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#17 2010-05-24 07:24:41

geni
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