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#1 2010-09-24 23:24:17

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Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum


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#2 2010-09-25 04:41:54

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

ABRAXAS wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixXVSQAA5M&feature=channel

Epic monster flute @ 6:51

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[inadequately stifles even more immense yawn....]


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#3 2010-09-25 12:15:57

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Grinch!


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#4 2010-09-25 13:01:50

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I like Sabu's experiments.
Thanks for posting, Abraxas! smile


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#5 2010-09-25 13:16:34

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I wonder if perhaps he's compensating for something.

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#6 2010-09-25 14:10:23

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

ABRAXAS wrote:

Grinch!

Size isn't everything...


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#7 2010-09-25 14:55:08

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

It still amuses me to see someone attempt to make music with a small tree.


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#8 2010-09-25 20:05:17

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

A little bit silly really.  I think I'm with Ed, on the yawning reaction (the girl was quasi-amusing though)


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#9 2010-09-25 21:17:32

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I can see the point, but still: Sabu > Kenny G w/bamboo.


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#10 2010-09-25 21:18:11

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Girl is a high point in the performance especially when she stops singing and starts dancing.

Kiku why is it when you or I do it it's music but when Sabu does it it's an experiment? wink

Every time he comes up people seem to get squeamish, to me that makes him useful.

And it's jinashi!


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#11 2010-09-26 01:07:28

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Tairaku 太楽 wrote:

Girl is a high point in the performance especially when she stops singing and starts dancing.

Kiku why is it when you or I do it it's music but when Sabu does it it's an experiment? wink

Every time he comes up people seem to get squeamish, to me that makes him useful.

And it's jinashi!

I do quite a few experiments too.... and not all are successful! :rolleyes

I didn't think this was one of Sabu's best peformances...


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#12 2010-09-26 02:03:47

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I'm not going to comment on this one .........

........anyone want to hear a funny story about a bunch of penguins ?

K.


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#13 2010-09-26 03:30:53

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I like the big tree blowing part. It was honest, pure, Ur. Too bad that came last.

The first few minutes on the shorter flute were irritatingly boring and extremely self-indulgent.

Instead of pretending that he's a "shakuhachi primitive" he needs to _act_ like one and learn something long, difficult and constructively narrative from an older player, something that interacts with his social group and has some value of communication to others about the meaning of their lives collectively and individually. Now that would be primitive.


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#14 2010-09-26 03:38:08

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

He's just a kid making noise, that's always fun. Most of the great musical leaps of the last century or so have been made by kids making noise.

Anyway that huge tube of delight is enviable. sad


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#15 2010-09-26 09:02:41

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Moran from Planet X wrote:

I like the big tree blowing part. It was honest, pure, Ur. Too bad that came last.

The first few minutes on the shorter flute were irritatingly boring and extremely self-indulgent.

Instead of pretending that he's a "shakuhachi primitive" he needs to _act_ like one and learn something long, difficult and constructively narrative from an older player, something that interacts with his social group and has some value of communication to others about the meaning of their lives collectively and individually. Now that would be primitive.

Huh?


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#16 2010-09-26 09:23:32

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

edosan wrote:

Moran from Planet X wrote:

Instead of pretending that he's a "shakuhachi primitive" he needs to _act_ like one and learn something long, difficult and constructively narrative from an older player, something that interacts with his social group and has some value of communication to others about the meaning of their lives collectively and individually. Now that would be primitive.

Huh?

I've been rereading my old Anthro 101 books. Pitzer College 1974. Swept up in nostalgia.


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#17 2010-09-26 10:14:33

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

I don't know. Despite all the bashing, even though I had all intentions of fast forwarding to the huge shakuhachi part, I found it interesting enough to watch all the way through. My attention sort of dropped shortly after he picked up the large bamboo, but before that I didn't think it was bad at all. If I'm not mistaken, the singer was altering the tone of what would be meri consistent with shakuhachi, which is what peaked my interest. Unlike traditional Japanese youtube pieces I wasn't so impressed by the shakuhachi player's technique, but I can't fault his choice of what and when to play given his technical limitations. I was most impressed by the singer's movements that connected so well with her singing, until she stopped singing, then I think she started going off into a more ego-driven space with her dancing. But I still enjoyed it.


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#18 2010-09-26 10:58:58

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Moran from Planet X wrote:

edosan wrote:

Moran from Planet X wrote:

Instead of pretending that he's a "shakuhachi primitive" he needs to _act_ like one and learn something long, difficult and constructively narrative from an older player, something that interacts with his social group and has some value of communication to others about the meaning of their lives collectively and individually. Now that would be primitive.

Huh?

I've been rereading my old Anthro 101 books. Pitzer College 1974. Swept up in nostalgia.

Poor dear. Gotta watch out for that...slippery slope.


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#19 2010-09-26 11:36:02

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

It got a bit interesting when he pulled the tree out. Were there any finger holes on there or was it a "Taimu Ro-only" special? If they had just started with the girl dancing and him playing that massive shakuhachi it might have gone somewhere more interesting. I would definately suggest taking some lessons from somebody...anybody, but then again I remember Obama Akihito, student of Ishikawa Toshimitsu, said that he specifically didn't want to or ever did take lessons from Yokoyama Katsuya because he feared he would fall into the trap of being molded into a copy of Yokoyama sensei. Maybe not exactly the same comparison but some points for staying true to who you are and what you want to create. I can't say he will reach a large audience though with that mindset.

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#20 2010-09-26 11:41:36

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Sabu studied for perhaps half a year or perhaps a little longer with Okuda Atsuya.
I know he managed to get through quite some pieces.... but didn't manage to get in depth with it.
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#21 2010-09-26 12:54:42

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Josh wrote:

I can't say he will reach a large audience though with that mindset.

I've noticed on a 99/100-ratio that music reaching large audiences tends to suck. But then I'm one of those people who owned Yoko Ono LPs and never owned a Beatles LP.

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#22 2010-09-26 18:24:54

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Josh wrote:

I would definately suggest taking some lessons from somebody...anybody, but then again I remember Obama Akihito, student of Ishikawa Toshimitsu, said that he specifically didn't want to or ever did take lessons from Yokoyama Katsuya because he feared he would fall into the trap of being molded into a copy of Yokoyama sensei.

Well, Sabu deliberately stopped taking lessons from Okuda, who in turn deliberately stopped taking lessons from Yokoyama therefore they are creating a downward or upward spiral, depending upon your perspective. It is true Josh that many or most Yokoyama style players slip into the clone role, but some escape. For example Josh Smith. ;-) You have managed to move forward although you play with the technique and sensibility you learned from that study.

Josh wrote:

I can't say he will reach a large audience though with that mindset.

Reaching a large audience with music is a matter of karma. It has to be the right music at the right time. How many shakuhachi players have reached a large audience? John Neptune, Riley Lee, Fujiwara Dozan? They've reached a relatively large audience for shakuhachi but still Lady Gaga and Andre Rieu do not have to watch their backs. If traditional shakuhachi was ever going to reach a large audience it probably would have by now. When it does it will probably be through unconventional means and actually Sabu Orimo is reaching a bigger audience than most shakuhachi players even if many conventional players look down their nose at him.

ABRAXAS wrote:

I've noticed on a 99/100-ratio that music reaching large audiences tends to suck. .

Yeah........John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Bach, Syd Barrett, that stuff SUX! Wank!


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#23 2010-09-26 22:10:41

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

Tairaku 太楽 wrote:

ABRAXAS wrote:

I've noticed on a 99/100-ratio that music reaching large audiences tends to suck. .

Yeah........John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Bach, Syd Barrett, that stuff SUX! Wank!

Not being a statistical genius, I'll still stick with my instincts that for every 1 Coltrane, Miles, Cash, Bach or Barrett there has been about 99 George Michaels, Lady Gagas, Milli Vanillis, Kip Wingers, etc.... wink

I left that wild 1% open.

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#24 2010-09-26 22:14:00

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Re: Sabu Orimo, big wood, Ornette, "What is Art", noisemaking,ad infinitum

ABRAXAS wrote:

Tairaku 太楽 wrote:

ABRAXAS wrote:

I've noticed on a 99/100-ratio that music reaching large audiences tends to suck. .

Yeah........John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, Bach, Syd Barrett, that stuff SUX! Wank!

Not being a statistical genius, I'll still stick with my instincts that for every 1 Coltrane, Miles, Cash, Bach or Barrett there has been about 99 George Michaels, Lady Gagas, Milli Vanillis, Kip Wingers, etc.... wink

Irrelevant because also 99% of music SUX! regardless of whether or not it gets popular. Actually probably more than that.


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#25 2010-09-26 23:18:23

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Tairaku 太楽 wrote:

Irrelevant because also 99% of music SUX! regardless of whether or not it gets popular. Actually probably more than that.

TRUTH.


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