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#1 2014-01-19 14:29:36

Moran from Planet X
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What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

Okay, I really need to know how you vitally engaged members of the Resurrected BBQ feel.


What's better? Jinashi or Jiari? I want something definitive.


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#2 2014-01-22 13:49:08

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

Moran from Planet X wrote:

Okay, I really need to know how you vitally engaged members of the Resurrected BBQ feel.


What's better? Jinashi or Jiari? I want something definitive.

Hey Chris, Maybe the conversation has moved on for many members. For me the question is no longer "which is better", but "how do I know it's good instrument."

To quote Ed, "Just sayin" wink

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#3 2014-01-22 22:59:13

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

Yungflutes wrote:

Moran from Planet X wrote:

Okay, I really need to know how you vitally engaged members of the Resurrected BBQ feel.


What's better? Jinashi or Jiari? I want something definitive.

Hey Chris, Maybe the conversation has moved on for many members. For me the question is no longer "which is better", but "how do I know it's good instrument."

To quote Ed, "Just sayin" wink

- Perry

Yeah, I'm just trying to start trouble. Fan a spark. wink


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#4 2014-01-23 06:02:38

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc123/Tairaku/OnwardJinashiWarriors.jpg


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#5 2014-01-23 15:27:30

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

The best Shakuhachi of all time is the one you have in your hand when playing tongue

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#6 2014-03-17 09:16:27

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

Jinashi

But, yes, depends on what piece on is playing, what lineage, etc.

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#7 2014-03-17 22:24:33

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

madoherty wrote:

Jinashi

But, yes, depends on what piece on is playing, what lineage, etc.

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#8 2014-04-23 18:25:43

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

IMNSHO:

Jinashi is a flute that has bamboo texture, and I play shakuhachi partly (maybe even mostly) to experience that bamboo texture (and I mean inside my head with the breath, not on my fingers or chin).
When I try to play Jiari, it is a flute with...other textures, and, for me, these are textures that
a) do not attract me in the long run (and shakuhachi play is a LTR for sure)
b) seem hell-bent on repurposing this piece of dead grass towards playing musics that would be a lot easier to play on something else.

Sorry if this is redundant, but to me it comes down to
Resonance and texture: if you have primarily musical aspirations, more flutey flutes (i.e. more materials, more uniformity in crafting) might be more appropriate than something that invites a more unique, collaborative connection.

For those of us arriving at shakuhachi from other Western musical pursuits, it is this nature texture (to the sound) that keeps some of us returning for more ... "attempts," shall we say.

Now another question: what is the official term to designate an utaguchi with no insert/bone/horn?

This has recently presented itself as an almost equally important distinction, and my own preferences lie on the side of the choices made at Mujitsu for the Taimu: no inserts, and even no urushi (which one of my Taimu has) but I prefer the ones with "bare blowing edges"


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#9 2014-05-08 22:19:30

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

For me....the argument is like asking "What is better.... a Ferrari or a Hummer?"  It depends on what you want to do with it.    smile

There is no way you can convince a "speed demon" that a Hummer is better....and there is no way you can convince an "off roader" that a Ferrari is better. 

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#10 2014-05-12 00:20:06

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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

I am so sorry but I really had to point this out.

http://www.importrpm.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Ferrari-FF-image-e1299865514704.jpg

But your statement does sound right even without the above example.

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#11 2014-05-14 09:50:30

madoherty
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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

Additionally, in composing music, different pieces lend themselves to different that styles of flute, I have found.  Typically whichever I am writing a piece with ends up being the domain of that piece.  There are other considerations.  The two have different sound palettes, very very different approaches, experience, and results.

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#12 2014-06-04 10:47:34

Jon Kypros
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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

On average jiari will have a smaller bore and will be louder, i.e., the harmonic overtones will be more accessible. Another way of putting still is to say the sound can be pushed more before breaking into another octave. An average jinashi will not have as much ability to be pushed into harmonic overtones. Physically, average jiari tend to be heavier than your average jinashi. Most jiari have a center joint which comes apart while most jinashi are in one-piece (nobe). Jiari are mostly or fully covered with paste in the bore while jinashi tend to have little or no paste. Jinashi can come close to or surpass average jiari in all areas, however, such jinashi are not average but are rare and should be compared to above average jiari. Subjectively, jinashi tend to be considered to have more character than jiari.

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#13 2014-06-04 17:22:37

Moran from Planet X
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Re: What's better? Jinashi or Jiari?

You know, I kinda put this post up as a lark seeing that a similar post went on for 12+ pages on the BBQ before it went on hiatus a couple of years ago. I was just trying to blow on some old, smoldering embers and see if we could get any interest in the revived BBQ. smile

I thought that the statement "I want something definitive" might tip people off to the innate futility of the question. It just got out of hand. Don't hate me, people, but you may have to remove the hook yourself.

Start a new topic! Onward!

Last edited by Moran from Planet X (2014-06-04 17:26:34)


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