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#1 2006-10-19 09:41:17

Kamesan
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Registered: 2006-09-28
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San no Ha

I'm finally able to (sometimes) hit "hi" and "ha" (second octave ri and ro)

I'm working heavily on scales this week and am trying to play san no ha (katakana for ha with kanji for san in the middle)

How do I do it?  I have a modern 1.8 Monty flute.  (people have told me it's the best student flute they have ever seen.)

My teacher tells me that the higher notes require LESS air but a tighter embouchre.  Definitley true but I just don't have that kind of strength in my lips yet.  I have to blow my brains out.  As I get better I'll be able to do it more effortlessly.  Anyone in the same boat??

Kame

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#2 2006-10-19 11:57:04

edosan
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Registered: 2005-10-09
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Re: San no Ha

Everyone is in that boat at the beginning--sometimes for quite a while.

Just keep on keepin' on...

eB


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
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#3 2006-10-19 14:59:20

KenC
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Registered: 2006-01-05
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Re: San no Ha

Kamesan,

Yes, i'm paddling that same boat :-).  As Edosan says, it comes a bit at a time.  Daily Ro, Ro Buki and long tones, as well as technical exercises help a lot.  I've also noticed that after i've warmed up is the best time to tackle the higher octives.  It seems after playing for 45 minn or an hour the muscles are getting tired and it's more a strain to get them. 

KenC

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#4 2006-10-19 20:50:45

Kamesan
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Re: San no Ha

Thanks guys, but what I really wanted to ask was "how do you play san no ha?"  what holes are open or closed?  any shading?

Last edited by Kamesan (2006-10-19 20:51:03)

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#5 2006-10-19 22:42:30

edosan
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Re: San no Ha

San no Ha is one of those fingerings which may have to be adjusted for different flutes, but here's the basic idea:

First, the pitch on a 1.8 should be D#/Eb (one half step above the second octave D, which is Go no Ha).

Try this first:

    First hole closed

    Second hole open

    Third hole shaded at the top of the hole

    Fourth hole closed

    Fifth hole (thumb) cracked--just pivot your thumb back slightly to open the bottom of the hole.

    Maybe a slight meri

Good way to get there is to play Go no Ha (top of second octave--two octaves above Ro-otsu) by closing all the first four holes and cracking hole five--slight meri. Then open hole two, shade hole three, and adjust the meri (if necessary) to raise the pitch one half step.


Check the pitch by playing Ro-kan followed by Go no Ha (should be one octave higher), then play San no Ha.

This fingering should work fine on Monty's flute--never played one that it didn't.

This all assumes that your overall pitch is on target.

eB

Last edited by edosan (2006-10-19 23:05:36)


Zen is not easy.
It takes effort to attain nothingness.
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#6 2006-10-19 23:26:01

edosan
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From: Salt Lake City
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Re: San no Ha

See this link http://www.shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopi … 3479#p3479 for a fingering chart (scanned in three pieces) that
has fingering diagrams for Tozan, Kinko and New Kinko notation.

Only thing missing: The names of the fingerings... smile

eB

Last edited by edosan (2006-10-19 23:33:25)


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
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#7 2006-10-20 09:52:56

Kamesan
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Re: San no Ha

Very well answered!  Thanks.

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