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#1 2006-12-04 23:02:33

Zakarius
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Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I commissioned a mid-ranged 3.3 shakuhachi and patiently waited out the 6 month crafting period. There were strong concerns as to whether or not I'd actually be able to manage advanced fingering & techniques on a flute so long, but they didn't rush it -- details into the spacing between holes were emailed so that I could determine whether or not the length was plausible. I could manage all of the holes but feared that the strain on the hands would make playing/practicing for more than a few minutes a painful experience. At that point, Yung Flutes offered to abandon the 3.3 and start work on a slightly shorter shakuhachi free of charge (I'd already put down a deposit). As luck would have it, I stuck with the 3.3 and am able to play it. The instrument's quality is superb and questions on playing & care have been answered both quickly & in great detail. Highly recommended.

Their website: www.yungflutes.com

Zakarius


塵も積もれば山となる -- "Chiri mo tsumoreba yama to naru." -- Piled-up specks of dust become a mountain.

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#2 2007-01-10 21:27:29

kyoreiflutes
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

If you have the ability, some photos of your new addition would be greatly appreciated. I love Perry's work, and can't wait to own one of his flutes. He has a pair of Hochikku on his blog that are stunning, especially the 3.0:

http://www.yungflutes.com/log/

It's just such a nice, strong rootend with a great mouthpiece and utaguchi. Very strong and soft at the same time, and I bet it's fairly heavy, which I actually like. That's the flute I want. smile

-E


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#3 2007-02-03 05:21:48

Zakarius
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

kyoreiflutes wrote:

If you have the ability, some photos of your new addition would be greatly appreciated.

Here are a few pics... two were taken by Perry and a friend took one of me with the flute together.

http://www.geocities.com/baishaolin/sha … zakrt2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/baishaolin/sha … aknaka.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/baishaolin/sha … knshak.jpg

Zakarius


塵も積もれば山となる -- "Chiri mo tsumoreba yama to naru." -- Piled-up specks of dust become a mountain.

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#4 2007-02-03 11:12:33

edosan
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

It's a beautiful thing.

Thanks.


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
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#5 2007-02-03 15:04:55

dstone
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Beautiful flute.

Kudos to Perry.  Congrats to Zakarius.

-Darren.


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#6 2007-02-03 22:57:02

Sean
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Very Nice 3.3, looks like it was worth the wait. If you wanna check it out I have a Yung model 1.8 jiari that Perry is currently making for me that's up on his blog, most recent post last time I checked.

-Sean

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#7 2007-02-04 08:57:43

Zakarius
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Looks like you're gonna get a classy instrument, too, Sean. I have the 3.3 I posted pictures of and a 2.5 both by Perry... I've lately been wondering whether or not I should put in my name on a commissioned 1.8... If I do, it's partly YOUR fault (heh wink

Zakarius


塵も積もれば山となる -- "Chiri mo tsumoreba yama to naru." -- Piled-up specks of dust become a mountain.

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#8 2007-02-04 12:12:31

Sean
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I have quite a few shakuhachi by Perry and they are all exceptional and have there own unique qualities. I have a  an Earthmodel 2.4, a Chikusing 2.8 and 1.8 as well as a MASSIVE 2.9 Hocchiku that I received recently(oh yeah and a PVC 1.8 that Perry was kind enough to send me as gift:). I wil have to part with the 2.8 and 1.8 soon, they will go towards the Yung Model.

-Sean

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#9 2007-02-04 19:13:29

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Perry is a great maker and a wonderful guy. It's fantastic to see his evolution as a maker.


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#10 2007-02-04 21:50:10

Sean
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Yeah Perry really is a great guy, I feel blessed to have a Yung model in the making.

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#11 2007-02-05 10:21:42

Larry
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I have a Yung model 1.8 and I love it!  I'm a novice player, so I haven't written a formal review (since I can't play the flute to it's full capabilities), but several proffesional players have tried it out and I think they were all impressed by its excellent quality.  Perry makes very fine instruments in my opinion.

If you're interested in what it looks like, I have several pics posted on my myspace page.  http://www.myspace.com/robuki

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#12 2007-02-06 03:12:59

dstone
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I have two flutes by Perry Yung.

1.6 jinashi.  2.5 jinashi.  Very different flutes, serving different roles for me.  Very happy with both.  Neither goes very long without being played, so I guess that sums it up.  So much for a highly technical review filled with adjectives...

Anyways, it was also a real pleasure to speak to Perry a couple of times about these flutes and music in general.  He's knowledgeable and thoughtful and very customer-oriented.

-Darren.


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#13 2007-02-26 21:15:51

Kabato
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I bought my first flute, an Earth 2.2, from Perry several months ago and I love it. It's a beautiful instrument both in looks and sound, I look forward to learning a lot from it.

Sean, do you think you could maybe post some pictures of your 2.9 hocchiku? I always love seeing huge flutes.

Last edited by Kabato (2007-02-26 21:16:22)


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#14 2007-02-26 23:08:55

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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Kabato wrote:

I bought my first flute, an Earth 2.2, from Perry several months ago and I love it. It's a beautiful instrument both in looks and sound, I look forward to learning a lot from it.

Sean, do you think you could maybe post some pictures of your 2.9 hocchiku? I always love seeing huge flutes.

I'd like to see it too. Alcvin's pictures of his Japan trip that he recently provided the link to has some large ones on the first few pages. Personallly, I'm not in a rush to purchase something like that because I don't know if I'd be able to handle the hand position, it looks a little bit awkward, but I can just imagine that they sound awesome.

I got a nice 2.2 from Perry just recently. He pulled the pics from his server shortly after I won an auction on it, so I don't have any good pics, but he really does have a nice sense for making things pleasing to look at. This particular one he originally had a "buy it now" price on Ebay for 240, but after it didn't sell twice he put it up for auction. I ended up getting it for 118 and I didn't even have to snipe it. I think it might be because it had a blemish near the root end. I can sort of understand why because I kind of thought the blemish looked severe in the pictures, but when I explained it to my girlfriend that Perry said it made for a nice Wabi-sabi aesthetic, she suggested that I shouldn't question it because he was the pro. It turns out she and Perry were right, in real life it looks nice, and I wouldn't want it any other way. It plays very well too. I have to admit that I'm still exploring what it can do, and refining my technique to get the most from it. but I heard the potential even with first few notes. Believe me, this flute can go very far past the Chosi sample he provided in the description.   

BTW, I had dreams of bamboo shortly after receiving this instrument (sort of living, with the long part without the holes being like a gooses neck, kind of wierd like dreams are a lot). I take that as an indication that it presented something to me that I have to stretch a bit to learn about.


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Now everything that nature breeds, Doth clad itself in pleasant weeds."
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#15 2007-02-27 00:07:17

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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

I traded my Perry made 1.8 for one of his 2.3 (I believe it is a Chikusing). I also have a 2.9 that is an upgraded Earth and also a Raga hybrid. And most recently, I have acquired a 2.2 drone. I have played Shakuhachi from other makers and have been utterly unsatisfied, even at expensive ones.

Perry has an unusual ability to do something most do not. He naturally pours a certain edge of his soul into his work that can be felt. I have played natural instruments for years. African Djembes and djuns, didges, NAFs, and the list of other rhythm instruments go on. Not all have that defining edge that no one sees.

I have trained under two masters in the arts of energy healing and mystic work. I have worked with my Japanese master for 19+ years and a Thai master for 3. Their understanding of the unseen and how to feel those energies has been a great gift for me and in all the wind instruments I have played and owned, only two makers create an energy that can be felt. Patrick Martin and Perry Yung. Both men whose lives and hearts are dedicated totally to their work.

Perry is more rare than you might think. To the Shakuhachi world, he is a gift.

D.J.


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#16 2007-02-27 00:49:28

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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

D.J. wrote:

I traded my Perry made 1.8 for one of his 2.3 (I believe it is a Chikusing). I also have a 2.9 that is an upgraded Earth and also a Raga hybrid. And most recently, I have acquired a 2.2 drone. I have played Shakuhachi from other makers and have been utterly unsatisfied, even at expensive ones.

How expensive were the expensive ones? Not that expense is the only defining factor of quality, but I'm curious. Being realistic, I kind of like the broken 1.8 Jiari I got from that koro-koro guy on Ebay better than Perry's, but Perry's has those low notes. If I had the bucks, I'd have to try them first, but I wouldn't hesitate getting one of Perry's higher end instruments.

I kind of like the fact that his bamboo is fair trade too. Does part of that definition means there was no child labor involved?


"Now birds record new harmonie, And trees do whistle melodies;
Now everything that nature breeds, Doth clad itself in pleasant weeds."
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#17 2007-02-27 01:20:48

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I am hoping no child labor. I have friends that trade in silk from India. In their case, they only buy from family run businesses out of the home. And in those cases, all the children work, but not as one sees in the sweat shops. These kids will own and operate the business when fully grown.

My most expensive mistake was $600. Now I realize in the Shakuhachi world that is nothing, but that flute is utterly lifeless. I have also had the opportunity to spend some hours with higher end instruments from Japan. One was incredible, and two others left me flat.

The 2.3 from Perry is gorgeous. It was originally a more expensive flute. He bought it back from the original owner and traded it for my 1.8 with me adding some money in the trade. It is every bit as responsive and alive as the wonderful Japanese flute I fell in love with.

My love of Perry’s work is his low notes. The Raga is amazingly deep and it is that otherworldly quality that I adore. I am the same with my NAFs and didgeridoos. The deeper the sound the more satisfied I am. I am hoping to one day buy one of Perry’s high end flutes. That will wait until I have conquered myself first.

D.J.

By the way, I wrote a thank you for your help under the technique section of this site.

Last edited by D.J. (2007-02-27 01:32:56)


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#18 2007-02-27 11:02:06

Yungflutes
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

Hi D.J and radi0gnome, Thanks for your kind words.

radi0gnome wrote:

I kind of like the fact that his bamboo is fair trade too. Does part of that definition means there was no child labor involved?

I've been digging my own bamboo or procuring it from my source in China for many years now. Before that I bought bamboo where ever I could find it. There are unfortunately no wild bamboo groves in NYC! In my research, I found that the bamboo imported into this country was usually harvested by people who were treated much like the diamond miners in Africa. Bamboo harvestors in Asia make about a dollar a day at most. 50% of the profits from the $9.00 pole bought in Chinatown goes into the pocket of the importer. The remaining goes to the store and shipper. While bamboo harvesters are not dying from dynamite mining, they are still being expoilted in rather harsh ways. The Chinese Madake I use for my higher end flutes are hand picked for me only. I try my best to ensure that no one is exploited in any part of the way. For years I have been trying to use American home grown bamboo for my EARTH Models and have recently been getting poles from a mother who has a bamboo grove in her lot in NC. She works part time at Walmart. We're both very happy to have found one another.

D.J. wrote:

Perry has an unusual ability to do something most do not. He naturally pours a certain edge of his soul into his work that can be felt. I have played natural instruments for years. African Djembes and djuns, didges, NAFs, and the list of other rhythm instruments go on. Not all have that defining edge that no one sees.

D.J.

I had a strong hunch that sensitive people would be able to notice something. Jinashi making is a very different craft from Jiari making.
Many of you have read the Science and Art argument towards making shakuhachi. I understand the need for science and use it as much as I can but I naturally use my art instincts to finish my flutes. The most influential teachers I've had could never fully explain what makes art. They could speak for themselves but they could not say that it would work for someone else.  That's why it is very important for me to not only understand science, but it is even more important to know my materials. When I was mainly a painter, I used to experiment with pigments. It became clear that the cheaper paints did not have the same vibration in the color when dried. They were quite flat. The (unfortunately) expensive paints had really rich and complex tones because of the mixture of pigments. It's much like a shakuhachi note played by a fine player. There are subtle overtones, not just the note itself. Knowing that my bamboo is harvested with care gives me the confidence that the final flute will vibrate with lots of love. And if it doesn't, it'll still look great on my wall smile

Namaste, Perry

Last edited by Yungflutes (2007-02-27 11:03:00)


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#19 2007-02-27 11:25:09

Sean
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Re: Review of Yung Flutes (shakuhachi makers)

No problem guys I'll post some pics of the 2.9 shortly. It really is a beast and it was a bit intimidating at first but once I found the sweet spot the flute revealed a really complex voice. Definitely a healing flute. I agree-I too feel that there is something in the sound of Perry's jinashi that can't be explained, and this 2.9 was definitely a reminder of that.

Cheers,

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