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#26 2008-05-02 20:58:32

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Let us applaud Bruce's elegant and clear interval practice study. smile

This is based on Steve Lacy's concept. He suggests just going through on interval at a time and playing it over and over until you "own" the interval. On his sax that must have been a good concept because soprano is notoriously difficult to play in tune. But he didn't have to grapple with meri notes! So this is equally important for us.

The first half are ascending intervals and the second half are descending. So even if you just stick to the ascending that is comprehensive.

I'm going to print it out and carry it around with me.

Thanks Bruce.


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#27 2008-05-09 19:18:06

bblyman2000
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Hi Everyone - To answer Tairaku's question about the number of possibilites of 23 intervals that would be the factoral of 23 which is: 1*2*3*4 etc. to 23 which equals = 25852016738884976640000.  This woud be tne number of possible combinations if I did the math right.  For those interested I have the possible combinations of 3 number (6), four numbers (24) and five numbers (120) written out.  These can be applied to any type of scale and worked through one degree of the scale at a time through out the entire range of the shakuhachi.  If your tired of standard western modes and scales you can always apply these patterns to Souht Indian Classical music scales which total 72. If interested you can contact me and I'll email you the number combinations.  If a friend of mine can scan the South Indian scale chart that I have I'll email that also.  For the South Indian Scales you could also check out this website or I'm sure many others: http://ecmc.rochester.edu/rdm/pdflib/mela.pdf

My email address is:  bblyman2000@yahoo.com. 

Of course to really make it interesting you could start applying various different rhythmic patterns to these exercises making the number of combinations astronomical !!! 

Hope this helps anyone who didn't have enough things to practice.

Keep on playing and be well, Bob.

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#28 2008-05-09 20:00:04

Jim Thompson
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Hey Everybody,
   So, let me see.25852016738884976640000 possible intervals. This is the kind of thing that happens when you rely too much on intellectual approaches to performing. I suggest a more organic approach to interval study. How about looking at any piece your currently working on and get deeply in to the the intervals in that piece? You can pick the difficult intervals or just work on the entire piece one interval at a time. That'll give you plenty to do and it will all be very relevant.
                                   Cheers
                                          Jim


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#29 2008-05-09 20:07:32

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Jim Thompson wrote:

Hey Everybody,
   So, let me see.25852016738884976640000 possible intervals. This is the kind of thing that happens when you rely too much on intellectual approaches to performing. I suggest a more organic approach to interval study. How about looking at any piece your currently working on and get deeply in to the the intervals in that piece? You can pick the difficult intervals or just work on the entire piece one interval at a time. That'll give you plenty to do and it will all be very relevant.
                                   Cheers
                                          Jim

That number is incorrect. Bruce's exercise has all the intervals and it's in the hundreds not zillions.


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#30 2008-05-09 23:22:43

bblyman2000
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Hi Everyone - That large number is for all the possible "combinations" of 23 notes not necessarily all the combinations of intervals.  I should have clarified that.  If your interested I'll email you the possible combinations as stated in the previous email and from that you can see how it works for 3,4,& 5 notes and how it expands form there. For 23 notes it is a very large number. For 7 notes alone it's 5040(1*2*3*4*5*6*7), which can easily(although very time consuming) be extrapolated from the chart I have if your willing to take the time. It just expands from there.   This is nothing new.  North Indian Classical musicians work on at least the possible combinations of four notes as stated in Ram Narayan's book.  I've played over the years (jazz bass,not shakuhaci) with a bunch of Lennie Tristano's Disciples and they worked on all the combinations of 5 notes.  It's also mentioned in the Doctoral Thesis someone had written on Lennie.  Granted a lot of the Tristanoites are very dry and mechanical in they're playing but one thing can't be taken away from them is they're incredible mastery of their instrument. Like anything else if not overdone can be a very effective way to explore the instrument as long as you don't step into the pitfall of becoming over intelectualized in your playing,balanced being the key. I find playing these patterns as just another way to open up to new sounds and ideas I wouldn't have necessarily thought of.  It's also a nice way to break out of a rut, or if your just want something new to tackle. It's especailly interesting when applied to the South Indian Scales. It's something I found very helpful when applied to the other instruments I play, so why not apply it to shakuhachi? Sorry for any confusion.
Be well, Bob.

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#31 2008-05-10 06:38:57

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: Interval exercise/Volunteer with Computer Skills?

Hi Bob, that's cool. But we were focusing on 2 note intervals. Of course when you add all possible combinations things get hairy. Especially if you use one of Harry Partch's scales. wink

Very interesting about the Tristano guys. I suppose he was the first person who recorded free improvisation in jazz.


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#32 2008-05-10 20:47:28

geni
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hi Bob,
I study with Charlie Banakos. He talks often about Lennie Tristano. They were the first start to teach jazz.

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