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#1 2010-03-22 11:06:37

Yuusui
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Straightening bamboo

I have a small stock of madake that I need to straighten, but so far my efforts haven't gone very well. How long do you need to heat the bamboo for before it will be bendable? I have heated it over a hot plate for what feels like a long time, but when I put it in my jig, I can't seem to get it to straighten at all. Any hints?


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#2 2010-03-22 12:26:07

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Re: Straightening bamboo

Yuusui wrote:

I have a small stock of madake that I need to straighten, but so far my efforts haven't gone very well. How long do you need to heat the bamboo for before it will be bendable? I have heated it over a hot plate for what feels like a long time, but when I put it in my jig, I can't seem to get it to straighten at all. Any hints?

Is the hot plate electric or is there a gas flame?

A propane torch works well because the flame can be focused. Keep the bamboo a few inches beyond the flame while slowly twirling the bamboo. About thirty seconds might be enough. When the bamboo is hot to the touch it's ready. If it's not hot enough it may crack while bending. If it's too hot it will buckle while bending.

I hope this helps.

Ken

PS - The jig below is unusual but you get the idea. Maybe a visual will help.

http://www.mujitsu.com/images/bendingjig.jpg

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#3 2010-03-22 12:36:07

edosan
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Yuusui wrote:

I have a small stock of madake that I need to straighten, but so far my efforts haven't gone very well. How long do you need to heat the bamboo for before it will be bendable? I have heated it over a hot plate for what feels like a long time, but when I put it in my jig, I can't seem to get it to straighten at all. Any hints?

You need more heat than a hotplate can provide, such as charcoal (which is traditionally used for this).

It also helps to build yourself a simple device for applying measured force to the area that needs adjustment.

Perhaps these links will help:

       http://www.shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopi … 7262#p7262

       http://www.shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=3676 (many other links on this page, including some videos which may still be up).

There is a good search function on this Forum (upper left under the headline). These links were found by searching for 'aburanuki', which
is the Japanese word for this process, but 'bending bamboo' would also give similar results.


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#4 2010-03-22 12:41:51

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Re: Straightening bamboo

Very good instructions here from Monty as well (edited and uploaded by Ed):

(direct link to download) http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9748/a … imonty.pdf

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#5 2010-03-22 12:42:43

airin
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Wow, that's some impressive modern technology you're using there Mujitsu!

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#6 2010-03-22 12:49:46

Mujitsu
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Re: Straightening bamboo

airin wrote:

Wow, that's some impressive modern technology you're using there Mujitsu!

If I get a flat though I'm in trouble! yikes

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#7 2010-03-22 15:04:20

Yuusui
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Thanks! I knew I had seen some of that info before, but for the life of me, couldn't find it when I needed it. I will fire up some cools tomorrow and try bending again and maybe cook something up for dinner at the same time.


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#8 2010-03-22 16:03:17

Taldaran
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Re: Straightening bamboo

A heat gun works as well!


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#9 2010-03-22 17:24:08

Yungflutes
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Yuusui wrote:

I have a small stock of madake that I need to straighten, but so far my efforts haven't gone very well. How long do you need to heat the bamboo for before it will be bendable? I have heated it over a hot plate for what feels like a long time, but when I put it in my jig, I can't seem to get it to straighten at all. Any hints?

Hi Yuusui,

http://yungflutes.com/logphotos/aburanukistove.jpg
This photo is of the aburanuki process but I use the same set up for bending.

I found that a placing a cone made of aluminum foil over a very low flame works great for directing ambient heat. Just hold the bamboo about an inch over the spot you want to bend for about 20 seconds. Rotate around the perimeter several times until the bamboo ia heated evenly all around. Just experiment until you find the right timing. Keep your eye on the bamboo skin to avoid a burn. When done right the bamboo bends easily.

http://yungflutes.com/logphotos/jig.jpg
My jig.
Good luck!


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#10 2010-03-23 08:00:30

Musgo da Pedra
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Hey Perry!

Nice heating system!

Thanks for share!


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#11 2010-03-23 19:10:01

Ryuzen
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From: Maderia Park, BC, Canada
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Here is the tool I use for bamboo bending. After heating the bamboo at the point I want to bend, I place it in the "manriki" to bend.

http://bamboo-in.com/images/tameno1.jpg

http://bamboo-in.com/images/tameno2.jpg

http://bamboo-in.com/images/tameno3.jpg
This manriki can also be turned on its side to see the angle of bending more clearly.

Cheers,

Al
www.bamboo-in.com

Last edited by Ryuzen (2010-03-23 19:25:22)


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#12 2010-03-23 20:00:49

Mujitsu
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Re: Straightening bamboo

That's a real nice and sturdy looking jig Al. Did you make it?

Ken

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#13 2010-03-24 00:59:02

Ryuzen
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Re: Straightening bamboo

Hi Ken,

Yes, with the help of my wood-turner friend, Gary Cross! It's such a cool device, I must say! I love using it.

Al

Last edited by Ryuzen (2010-03-24 01:01:51)


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