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#1 2007-12-12 11:02:03

philipgelb
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Futaikan pieces

How many pieces come from this temple? I am quite fond of their version of Reibo and San'ya!!

I know of a version of Tsuru no Sugomiri but have never seen the notation (can someone possibly send a copy to me?). Are there other pieces from this temple?

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#2 2007-12-12 12:16:53

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Re: Futaikan pieces

philipgelb wrote:

... but have never seen the notation (can someone possibly send a copy to me?).

Yes, could someone post a Kinko ryu copy online? It is very useful, as a student, to see and study a piece in notation even you if are not ready to receive instruction in it.

Riley Lee as part of his thesis presentation online has links to half-a-dozen Futaikan Reibo recordings and half-a-dozen more to Shoganken Reibo. Really enlightening to hear these two different pieces of music played by six different masters.

http://www.rileylee.net/reibo_recordings.html


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#3 2007-12-12 14:06:11

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Re: Futaikan pieces

Atsuya Okuda (or maybe a Zensabo student here) might be someone to ask.

He is a scholar and practitioner of many temples' pieces, including Futaiken.  I have heard his Futaiken Reibo and it is long and beautiful.  *Very* long.  smile

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#4 2007-12-12 17:07:06

Kiku Day
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Re: Futaikan pieces

Futaiken tsuru no sugomori is what Okuda calls Kudan tsuru no sugomori.
Phil, if you remember the recording from... was it 1902 or 1912 or so, I emailed you a while ago. That was Futaiken tsuru no sugomori.
I need to check if I have a clean score of kudan sugomori somewhere and scan it before I can send it to you. But if you want... sure. smile

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#5 2007-12-12 18:13:39

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Re: Futaikan pieces

I know Godan Sugomori but not Kudan. Is this 9 parts?


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#6 2007-12-13 03:25:33

Kiku Day
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Re: Futaikan pieces

chikuzen wrote:

I know Godan Sugomori but not Kudan. Is this 9 parts?

Yes, it is in 9 parts, but in the Zensabo version (the only version I know) the two of the 'dan' are repeated, so we usually only play 7 dan. I should have looked for the Futaiken version while I was in Japan. I will certainly do that next time.

Kudan Sugomori is on Okuda's first CD, 'Sound of Zen'. I think the title there is simply 'Tsuru no Sugomori'


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#7 2007-12-13 08:45:24

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Re: Futaikan pieces

Jin Nyodo's transmission of Futaiken Tsuru no Sugomori is a very colorful piece -- LOTS of tamane. (Phil G, it's in the Ki-Sui-An repertoire, so you may already have it somewhere.) It is not, however, divided -- at least in Kurahashi Yodo's notation -- into 9 OR 7 sections. Renpoken Tsuru no Sugomori, which is the version Jinbo Masanosuke played, is in 9 sections, and the Myoan Tsuru no Sugomori is in 7 dan.

According to Sakai Shodo's liner notes on his spectacular "Five Metamophoses of Nesting of Cranes" CD, the Futaiken version was transmitted by Onodera Genkichi (1858-1928), who was a komuso from Miyagi. Watasumi's Tsuru no Sugomori, according to Sakai Shodo, is related to this version. All of Sakai Shodo's versions track pretty closely with the the Jin Nyodo/Kurahashi Yodo scores.

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