Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

amokrun · 2007-12-21 04:49:28

I've seen some flutes out there which are usually somewhere between 1.6-1.7 but play in tune to D just like a regular 1.8 shakuhachi. Usually this is due to large bore. I was curious as to how different these shorter flutes are compared to a generic 1.8 flute? Do they sound more fuzzy like large bore flutes tend to do? Can you use such an instrument to play with 1.8 flutes or do they still sound too different to really match each other?

Yungflutes · 2007-12-21 21:26:41

amokrun wrote:
... Do they sound more fuzzy like large bore flutes tend to do? Can you use such an instrument to play with 1.8 flutes or do they still sound too different to really match each other?

In my experience, they sound more "hollow". Otsu is more alive and can be more buzzier than the long flutes. Where as the longer ones have what you call "fuzzy", the shorter ones have "electricity". More resonant (like blowing into a bottle), but very difficult to control at the top of Kan.

They would not hold up in response time next to a standard bore 1.8. They will probably sound very different as all players and flutes do, but I suppose good players of the same Ryu would be able to match up somewhat. Maybe on the 1.7 but the 1.6 would be very difficult.

Peace, Perry

Mujitsu · 2007-12-22 11:30:01

amokrun wrote:
Can you use such an instrument to play with 1.8 flutes or do they still sound too different to really match each other?

One consideration might be what you are playing as well as your own personal taste. Does the contrast improve or interfere with the sound?

Ken

Tairaku 太楽 · 2007-12-22 12:56:50

I don't know why Matti, but I have not seen ANY 1.7's which play in D, but I've seen plenty of 1.8's on C# and 1.9's on C.

amokrun · 2007-12-22 13:45:16

Tairaku wrote:
I don't know why Matti, but I have not seen ANY 1.7's which play in D, but I've seen plenty of 1.8's on C# and 1.9's on C.

Odd. I think I've seen people selling them a couple of times on eBay and otherwise. Can't think of any 1.6's right now but here's a link for a 1.7 currently on sale on eBay. Obviously I can't say if the tuning is really a spot on D or not but at least the ad claims it is.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1-7-D-WIDE-BORE-Sha … 0184440574

It is certainly true that flat 1.8's and 1.9's seem to be much more common. My guess is that those lengths are more common to begin with. I would love to try a 1.6 pitched to match a standard 1.8 to see how different they are.

Tairaku wrote:
One consideration might be what you are playing as well as your own personal taste. Does the contrast improve or interfere with the sound?

You are right. I actually asked my question a bit inaccurately. What I meant was more in the line of how much different is a 1.6 or 1.7 tuned to the pitch of standard 1.8? Could someone, for example, take such a flute to lessons and use it without any problems? Is the sound different enough that someone could easily tell between a 1.7 and 1.8 if they were tuned the same? I have never tried one of these instruments and thus I'm curious what happens to the sound when you shorten the flute but flatten the pitch through wider bore.

Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

#1 2007-12-21 04:49:28

Difference between 1.8 and large bore 1.6-1.7.

#2 2007-12-21 21:26:41

Re: Difference between 1.8 and large bore 1.6-1.7.

amokrun wrote:

#3 2007-12-22 11:30:01

Re: Difference between 1.8 and large bore 1.6-1.7.

amokrun wrote:

#4 2007-12-22 12:56:50

Re: Difference between 1.8 and large bore 1.6-1.7.

#5 2007-12-22 13:45:16

Re: Difference between 1.8 and large bore 1.6-1.7.

Tairaku wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

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