Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Gee, Gishin! I have read most of what the Dali Lama has written and it has certainly helped me both in times of trouble and joy. I suppose the Tibetans should actually just relax and enjoy being overrun by the Chinese. It is, after all, the natural oder of things.

jamesnyman wrote:

Maybe the USA should just occupy Canada. Hell, we need their oil tar sands to run our cars. We could marginalize the Canadians or even exterminate them so we can suck up all their natural resouces. Sounds like a good plan to me

Yea right Ok if you want to be childish about it and accuse me of being the killer of Bambi then please do so. You are just being all emotional about it and did not clearly read what was in my post. Just go read the article of Dr. Parenti and go from there. I am taking NO SIDES just putting facts where they belong. If you want to just be an over sensitive band wagon Jumper then please refrain from making childish comments if you want to discuss facts then its all good. Have you been to Tibet? Do you really know what goes on in there? All of those religious leaders have a an agenda and I support NONE of them. The Dalai Lam is just another one of those no matter how nice and how helpfull he may sound and look. If he was all so peacefull why the heck did him and his brother worked with the CIA in organizing Guerilla warfare?

Again I take no sides  I just see reality for what it is and I am able to make a difference between my emotions and wishes and how they connect to a bigger reality.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

jamesnyman wrote:

You are on the wrong side of this issue.

Why? Because I do not believe and bow to the Dalai Lama as the incarnation of Yoda? In your last post what you said is not wrong just another way to see and express things there is nothing to deny about that. Now my point has nothing wrong other than cutting some of the Walt-Disney illusions most common folks that support the Tibetan cause have of old Tibet being heaven.

The Parenti article is very well written and his references are credible.
There is so much history that never makes it into a textbook and especially the corporate sponsored brainwashing machine.
The Dalai Lama never had the chance to have any kind of normal childhood. He's been a political tool of the Tibetan elite from the beginning and still is. He's said some very wonderful, meaningful words that have helped many spiritually and that's good. But he also said in response to the U.S. invasion of Iraq that " some war is necessary", obviously and selfishly to draw attention to the struggle of 'said elite' to regain power and control of Tibet. Talk about some payback if that were ever to happen!!! Read the article and check the refs. Thanks, Gishin

I read the article. It still seems that Tibetans, and not necesarily the Dali Lama and his associates, should rule Tibet, not the Chinese.

jamesnyman wrote:

I read the article. It still seems that Tibetans, and not necesarily the Dali Lama and his associates, should rule Tibet, not the Chinese.

James,
Point well taken!
Sincerely,
Kerry

shaman141 wrote:

Who are you to tell them to mind their business when they are standing up for what they believe in?

Same goes to you !

Who are you to tell me that I should not express my point   and by the way when I say monks should mind their own business I am speaking about the Monks at Zenkoji in Japan. If the Monks in Tibet want to riot fight and get killed down all the way to the last one this will be their choice and their own problem and should not come crying about it in the end if they were that much into peace they would have bent to China or just ran away. The similar situation happened here in Quebec when the French lost to the English but in the end we all bent to the power of England and oops guess what? French language and culture is still well and alive here in Quebec 


Now the monks at Zenkoji with their stupid and childish behavior can only cause more problems between China and Japan and in the end NOBODY will win anything and all it will do is create more problems for Tibetan people. Japanese monks should mind their own business and NOT play politics if they want to really help Tibet their is many other things they can do other than just protest to satisfy their own band wagon social conscience.

Last edited by Gishin (2008-04-20 23:00:45)

I agree with Gishin on the point that this is a bandwagon issue. The time to protest would have been BEFORE they awarded the Olympics to China. Everybody knew they had human rights problems. They don't give out the Olympics without review. Now some people and organizations who enabled China to get the Olympics are jumping on the bandwagon, because this Tibet thing is becoming popular.

On a related note, I find it fascinating that Bush was the first president to have the guts to meet with the Dalai Lama in the White House. I don't like the dude and he probably thought he was meeting an animal from South America but the hippies should give him credit for that.

Two articles here about Zenkoji
www.buddhistchannel.tv

After such worry what to do, the temple gets spray painted. A shame indeed!

Last edited by Kerry (2008-04-21 14:47:48)

Opinions, even when based on something less than the 'whole' picture, which is most often the case, is 'interesting' at least...  we humans just love debate.

It's nice that after a perhaps heated debate, where each side thinks the other is somewhere much lower on the evolutionary scale than themselves, we can stop, and play a flute... ahhhh.

If the Tibetans and the Chinese just did more flute playing the correct path would be much easier to see...

fouw wrote:

. And those who had their say on this subject.
I almost said my thing too but thought better of it just before clicking the 'submit' button.

Hey Kees, it's cool, this is an internet forum and that's what they're for, blabbing! Gishin appropriately put this in the "Off Topic" section so everybody's free to express themselves on this little conversation about genocide, imperialism, and religion.

It's not like we're discussing anything really important like whether a tiny dab of ji ruins a flute or if it's OK to play a particular gaikyoku on 1.6 instead of 1.8. Then we'd have to choose our words wisely.