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#1 2008-04-20 13:30:13

Mujitsu
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Notation for the big three.

Is anyone aware if notation for the three "original" honkyoku, KYOREI, MUKAIJI and KOKU is available for purchase as a set? Seems like it would be a nice package compared to blurry internet copies.

Thanks.

Ken

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#2 2008-04-20 14:36:43

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Re: Notation for the big three.

All three are part of Taniguchi's 'Koten and Koden honkyoku' set available from http://www.shakuhachi.com. The set is expensive but very good value considering the number of pieces.


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#3 2008-04-20 16:41:01

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Re: Notation for the big three.

All three pieces are available from Monty in the Takashi Tokuyama Shakuhachi Honkyoku Sheet Music (In Kinko Ryu Notation)...Red Series/Advanced. The price is $7.50 each + shipping. They are printed on nice card stock and are very easy to read.


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#4 2008-04-20 17:10:45

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Re: Notation for the big three.

jamesnyman wrote:

All three pieces are available from Monty in the Takashi Tokuyama Shakuhachi Honkyoku Sheet Music (In Kinko Ryu Notation)...Red Series/Advanced. The price is $7.50 each + shipping. They are printed on nice card stock and are very easy to read.

Ken, in SF Sharaku carries these and she might have those pieces.


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#5 2008-04-20 18:35:43

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Re: Notation for the big three.

Ask and you shall receive. Thanks everyone.

Ken

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#6 2008-04-20 20:17:26

chikuzen
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Re: Notation for the big three.

The three pieces in the Taniguchi book are "Soo Kyorei", "Soo Mukaiji" and "Soo Koku". These are very different versions than any other I've ever seen. Soo in front of the title means it's going to be quite different than the original.


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#7 2008-04-20 22:10:34

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Re: Notation for the big three.

chikuzen wrote:

The three pieces in the Taniguchi book are "Soo Kyorei", "Soo Mukaiji" and "Soo Koku". These are very different versions than any other I've ever seen. Soo in front of the title means it's going to be quite different than the original.

Totally different. I think those are improvisations Taniguchi transcribed into Kinko notation, correct Chikuzen? They're good pieces and the notation is easy to follow. In fact thanks for reminding me I'll dig those out and play them later on!


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#8 2008-04-21 04:43:51

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Re: Notation for the big three.

chikuzen wrote:

The three pieces in the Taniguchi book are "Soo Kyorei", "Soo Mukaiji" and "Soo Koku". These are very different versions than any other I've ever seen. Soo in front of the title means it's going to be quite different than the original.

Hello,

So where couzld one find the originals?

Thanks in advance


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#9 2008-04-21 13:40:23

chikuzen
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Re: Notation for the big three.

I would think that the Meian versions or the Taizan Ha versions are the closest we'll get to the originals. Phil and Brian might/could/should know about that. I play those versions and the Yokoyama version of Koku.

I would have to agree with you Brian about the Taniguchi scores being "improv" off of the originals. He was into the "Shin", "Gyo", "Soo" thing a bit and the Soo was "your own style".  In the corner of the page it also says "Fuke Shu Honkyoku"?


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#10 2008-04-21 14:32:00

chikuzen
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Re: Notation for the big three.

I got some more info. :
   "The Shin, So, Gyo versions are all from the shinpo-ryu originally. Your score from Taniguchi of So Koku follows 
fairly closely the shinporyu with the exception that the signature phrase, the 'iki-nayashi' phrases have been replaced by ha-ra-ro!"

Cheers,


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#11 2008-04-24 02:39:31

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Re: Notation for the big three.

chikuzen wrote:

I would think that the Meian versions or the Taizan Ha versions are the closest we'll get to the originals. Phil and Brian might/could/should know about that. I play those versions and the Yokoyama version of Koku.

I would have to agree with you Brian about the Taniguchi scores being "improv" off of the originals. He was into the "Shin", "Gyo", "Soo" thing a bit and the Soo was "your own style".  In the corner of the page it also says "Fuke Shu Honkyoku"?

Thanks Chikuzen, I'll try and find some notations and possibly recordings that go with it. Do you have any pointers?

Kind regards


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