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#1 2008-08-26 23:32:13

caffeind
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how to play this....

Here is a little clip of a korokoro variation, 1.8. The best approximation I can make is ni no ha with four open, then meri down a semi tone and koro with first and second fingers, but that koro doesnt sound right to me. Any suggestions?

http://www.mediafire.com/?aagttvessss

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#2 2008-08-27 04:23:08

Justin
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Re: how to play this....

First tone is 1 and 3 closed, all others open. Then, hole 1 closed, all others open, quickly open and close 3rd hole. Play on 1.8.

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#3 2008-08-27 11:21:03

Jim Thompson
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Re: how to play this....

Caffeind,  here's korokoro as I know it.  4 & 5 half open(ala meri-not kazashi) 3 closed then alternate closing and openiing  1 & 2. Now, here is the key element you need to make it sound like korokoro. When alternating between 1 & 2 make sure for a brief instant they are both closed. It's not just alternating between two notes, there is a third sound in between. That applies to both directions(1 to 2 & 2 to 1). That gives you the bubbly sound that is characteristic of korokoro. This is all done in the meri position. I hope that's clear.
    Justin,           Are you talking about regular korokoro? I don't see how what you described would make korokoro.  Is this some variation I'm not familiar with?

Last edited by Jim Thompson (2008-08-27 11:31:44)


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#4 2008-08-27 11:26:54

Justin
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Re: how to play this....

Hi Jim
Did you listen to the audio clip? Caffeind said koro koro but actually the audio clip seems to be a different technique. I do not know what it might be called, but to me it sounds like what I described is what the player is doing.

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#5 2008-08-27 11:34:48

Jim Thompson
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Re: how to play this....

Justin,  I couldn't get the audio clip to play. I guess your talking about something other than korokoro.
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#6 2008-08-27 11:43:20

Justin
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Re: how to play this....

I don't know if we might be able to call it a type of kara kara? Something nearer kara kara anyway.
The audio clip was a bit tricky - had to download it.

Justin
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#7 2008-08-27 12:44:54

nyokai
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Re: how to play this....

Yes, a ha with 2, 4, and 5 open, repeated and/or trilled with 3. This is common in the Meian literature. For example in its fancier form, as in the sound clip, it's a prominent feature of Renpoken Tsuru no Sugomori. Jin Nyodo just puts a san next to the repeat marks, indicating 3 should be used, or doesn't even bother since 3 is assumed, while Yodo Kurahashi sometimes writes "san odoru" (repeatedly hit 3, or "throbbing 3"). Repeating this kind of ha with 3 is standard in the repertoire, so I don't think anyone thought it merited any special name...

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#8 2008-08-28 01:31:29

caffeind
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Re: how to play this....

Thanks for the replies everyone. Trilling with the 3rd hole gives the right sound.... now I've just got to speed up that finger. I thought it was some kind of koro koro movement because its very quick, but I was mistaken. Thanks again.

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