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#1 2009-01-30 11:18:46

Bogert
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From: Amagasaki-shi, Hyogo-ken
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Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

Good evening (at least at the moment),
I'm looking for any information anyone might have on Shogaken honkyoku.  As far as I'm aware, but am still early in my research, there is only one piece from this faction.  I have Shogaken Reibo in 2 versions.  Does anyone know of any other honkyoku from the Shogaken, or other versions of the same piece?  I know of the Yokoyama style version and Jin Nyodo version of Shogaken Reibo.  Any help would be appreciated.  Links or information in Japanese is also fine as most of my sources are in Japanese.
Chris


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#2 2009-02-15 08:01:56

Bogert
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

Hello again,
Nothing... oh well.  I did find a little information, but not about more honkyoku from Shogaken, but that Shogaken Reibo is only attributed to Shogaken by Jin Nyodo, but not actually from Shogaken the temple. . .
I got that from a Fuke honkyoku player/researcher.


理趣経百字の偈
菩薩勝慧者 乃至尽生死 恒作衆生利 而不趣涅槃 般若及方便 智度悉加持 諸法及諸有    一切皆清浄 欲等調世間 令得浄除故 
有頂及悪趣 調伏尽諸有 如蓮体本染 不為垢所染    諸欲性亦然 不染利群生 大欲得清浄 大安楽富饒 三界得自在 能作堅固利

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#3 2009-02-15 08:56:30

Justin
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

Hi Bogert
Where did the researcher say Shoganken Reibo was from then? Would be interesting to hear more details.
Thanks
Justin
http://senryushakuhachi.com/

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#4 2009-02-15 09:13:10

Bogert
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

He's sending me a bunch of his research in the mail, I'll try to translate it.
Should be good stuff.  It'll probably answer my questions.
I'm putting together a research paper for my own knowledge.  After its all put together I'll share it : )
Let me look back through my e-mails to see if he said where Shogaken Reibo is from.
Chris


理趣経百字の偈
菩薩勝慧者 乃至尽生死 恒作衆生利 而不趣涅槃 般若及方便 智度悉加持 諸法及諸有    一切皆清浄 欲等調世間 令得浄除故 
有頂及悪趣 調伏尽諸有 如蓮体本染 不為垢所染    諸欲性亦然 不染利群生 大欲得清浄 大安楽富饒 三界得自在 能作堅固利

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#5 2009-02-15 20:44:35

Bogert
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

Good timing, I got his research data in the mail today.  That guy is awesome. 
He answered my question about Shogaken reibo.
It is actually from Miyagi prefecture and is a version of Miyagi Reibo
It is from 小野寺源吉(onoji genkichi? in Miyagi prefecture. 
That temple has transmitted 2 honkyoku (that I know of) being 鈴慕 and 巣鶴.

Last edited by Bogert (2009-02-18 21:54:11)


理趣経百字の偈
菩薩勝慧者 乃至尽生死 恒作衆生利 而不趣涅槃 般若及方便 智度悉加持 諸法及諸有    一切皆清浄 欲等調世間 令得浄除故 
有頂及悪趣 調伏尽諸有 如蓮体本染 不為垢所染    諸欲性亦然 不染利群生 大欲得清浄 大安楽富饒 三界得自在 能作堅固利

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#6 2009-02-17 21:11:59

chikuzen
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From: Cleveland Heights,OH 44118
Registered: 2005-10-24
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

Chris, I learned Furin from Taniguchi sensei and was later told that it was Shoganken Reibo. Have you heard of this piece and story behind it?

Michael


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#7 2009-02-18 07:15:48

Bogert
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From: Amagasaki-shi, Hyogo-ken
Registered: 2005-12-05
Posts: 203

Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

As far as I know, not sure on the whole story of Furin, but it seems to be another name for Shogaken Reibo.  I'm not familiar with that version, how does it play?  Is it similar to Jin Nyodo's Shogaken Reibo?


理趣経百字の偈
菩薩勝慧者 乃至尽生死 恒作衆生利 而不趣涅槃 般若及方便 智度悉加持 諸法及諸有    一切皆清浄 欲等調世間 令得浄除故 
有頂及悪趣 調伏尽諸有 如蓮体本染 不為垢所染    諸欲性亦然 不染利群生 大欲得清浄 大安楽富饒 三界得自在 能作堅固利

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#8 2009-03-14 09:45:37

Bogert
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From: Amagasaki-shi, Hyogo-ken
Registered: 2005-12-05
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Re: Shogaken pieces? Trying to do some research

I read through some other information on Onodera Genkichi.  Sounded like a temple name at first in the e-mail I got, but that is the guys name. 

Anyway, like I said before he transmitted two honkyoku, being what is commonly known as Shogaken Reibo and Futaiken Tsuru no Tsugomori. 
These honkyoku, although I'm not entirely sure, seem to have come from a Komuso temple in the village Mr. Genkichi grew up in, called Kinjyoji. 

Not sure why the other names were attached to the pieces, giving the impression they came from those respective temples.  I was thinking that maybe who ever changed the name probably learned it at those temples and swapped the title.  I'm just guessing at that bit though.


理趣経百字の偈
菩薩勝慧者 乃至尽生死 恒作衆生利 而不趣涅槃 般若及方便 智度悉加持 諸法及諸有    一切皆清浄 欲等調世間 令得浄除故 
有頂及悪趣 調伏尽諸有 如蓮体本染 不為垢所染    諸欲性亦然 不染利群生 大欲得清浄 大安楽富饒 三界得自在 能作堅固利

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