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#1 2009-03-28 07:52:58

david
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hitoyogiri?

Just wondering if everybody knows about this guy? He sells Jinashi and hitoyogiri! the hitoyogiri look pretty cool!

http://hw001.gate01.com/dan-art/cd03-01english.html


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#2 2009-03-28 18:41:26

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: hitoyogiri?

david wrote:

Just wondering if everybody knows about this guy? He sells Jinashi and hitoyogiri! the hitoyogiri look pretty cool!

http://hw001.gate01.com/dan-art/cd03-01english.html

His recordings are interesting. He has a couple of hitoyogiri pieces on one of his albums.


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#3 2009-03-28 19:11:04

Larry Tyrrell
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Registered: 2005-11-09
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Re: hitoyogiri?

Hello,

I don't know if everyone's browser hears it that way but when I clicked on the link it sounded like all the tracks on his CD were playing at once.

Actually, sounded kind of cool!

Larry

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#4 2009-03-31 16:35:31

udo.jeromin
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Registered: 2007-05-07
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Re: hitoyogiri?

Dan Shinku's Album "Reibo" contains two pieces for Hitoyogiri.
These are the only Hitoyogiri recordings I've come across so far.
The whole album is not only very interesting but also contains
very beautiful music.

Also, he makes incredibly beautiful (in all aspects) instruments.

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#5 2009-03-31 23:00:46

Seth
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From: Scarsdale, NY
Registered: 2005-10-24
Posts: 270

Re: hitoyogiri?

udo.jeromin wrote:

Dan Shinku's Album "Reibo" contains two pieces for Hitoyogiri.
These are the only Hitoyogiri recordings I've come across so far.
The whole album is not only very interesting but also contains
very beautiful music.

Also, he makes incredibly beautiful (in all aspects) instruments.

Do you own one?  What's it like?  How is it different?  Is a hitoyogiri just a super short shakuhachi?  And am I commiting the sin of being on topic in an off topic thread?

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#6 2009-03-31 23:37:02

edosan
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From: Salt Lake City
Registered: 2005-10-09
Posts: 2185

Re: hitoyogiri?

Seth wrote:

udo.jeromin wrote:

Dan Shinku's Album "Reibo" contains two pieces for Hitoyogiri.
These are the only Hitoyogiri recordings I've come across so far.
The whole album is not only very interesting but also contains
very beautiful music.

Also, he makes incredibly beautiful (in all aspects) instruments.

Do you own one?  What's it like?  How is it different?  Is a hitoyogiri just a super short shakuhachi?  And am I commiting the sin of being on topic in an off topic thread?

Have a look at this: http://www.shakuhachizen.com/precursors.html

A chart of precursors to the shakuhachi as we know it today, found by (incredibly!) Googling 'hitoyogiri'.....this image is on Phil Horan's website.


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#7 2009-04-01 00:08:57

madoherty
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Re: hitoyogiri?

edosan wrote:

Seth wrote:

udo.jeromin wrote:

Dan Shinku's Album "Reibo" contains two pieces for Hitoyogiri.
These are the only Hitoyogiri recordings I've come across so far.
The whole album is not only very interesting but also contains
very beautiful music.

Also, he makes incredibly beautiful (in all aspects) instruments.

Do you own one?  What's it like?  How is it different?  Is a hitoyogiri just a super short shakuhachi?  And am I commiting the sin of being on topic in an off topic thread?

Have a look at this: http://www.shakuhachizen.com/precursors.html

A chart of precursors to the shakuhachi as we know it today, found by (incredibly!) Googling 'hitoyogiri'.....this image is on Phil Horan's website.

Edosan, you are a librarian's dream!

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#8 2009-04-01 01:40:08

edosan
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From: Salt Lake City
Registered: 2005-10-09
Posts: 2185

Re: hitoyogiri?

Lorka wrote:

A librarian would, I hope, be somewhat less than awed by the results of a Google search.  Still, sometimes that's what works, so who am I am to be snooty about such things?

Why, you would be none other than Lorka, of course.

Oh, and look! What have we right here, on our very own 'MLIS', but: http://www.shakuhachiforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=1511

           ...gleaned with sparkling panache, in about 30 seconds, from the onsite search engine.

Why hell, it's so danged simple, even a non-librarian could do it!

Last edited by edosan (2009-04-01 01:41:27)


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#9 2009-04-01 09:10:22

lowonthetotem
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From: Cape Coral, FL
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Re: hitoyogiri?

I may be showing my inexperience here, but the blowing ends of the jinashis look very shallow.  I am guessing these flutes are not for the faint of heart.


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#10 2009-04-01 09:14:59

Lorka
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Registered: 2007-02-27
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Re: hitoyogiri?

Yeah, I was thinking something similar.  I really don't know what to make of these blowing angles.  I know it has been discussed quite a lot here, but I still find the variations sort of puzzling.  His jinashi look quite nice, though I find it a little confusing on a Japanese website


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#11 2009-04-01 10:14:21

Yungflutes
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From: New York City
Registered: 2005-10-08
Posts: 1061
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Re: hitoyogiri?

Seth wrote:

udo.jeromin wrote:

Dan Shinku's Album "Reibo" contains two pieces for Hitoyogiri.
These are the only Hitoyogiri recordings I've come across so far.
The whole album is not only very interesting but also contains
very beautiful music.

Also, he makes incredibly beautiful (in all aspects) instruments.

Do you own one?  What's it like?  How is it different?  Is a hitoyogiri just a super short shakuhachi?  And am I commiting the sin of being on topic in an off topic thread?

Hi Seth, I had the opportunity to play two Hitoyogiri in Tokyo around 2003. I also made one with Kinya when we collected some small pieces of dead and cured in the ground bamboo on one take hori adventure (bamboo dig).

lowonthetotome wrote:

I may be showing my inexperience here, but the blowing ends of the jinashis look very shallow.  I am guessing these flutes are not for the faint of heart.

Yes, East Coast, "Old School" style.

The hitoyogiri I saw were simple flutes in comparison with the modern shakuhachi. They were more like a short Chinese Xiao but with the hitoyogiri utaguchi. They were small in diameter, had smaller finger holes and had cylindrical bores, not tapered. I'm actually working on a commissioned Hitoyogiri now for a player in Israel. I'll post pics when I'm done.

Peace.


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#12 2009-04-01 11:58:48

udo.jeromin
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Registered: 2007-05-07
Posts: 72

Re: hitoyogiri?

Seth wrote:

Do you own one?  What's it like?

Yes.  Great.

Seth wrote:

How is it different?  Is a hitoyogiri just a super short shakuhachi?

Second first: No.  For more info on hitoyogiri check this thread.  The bore of a hitoyogiri is indeed more cylindrical but the (one) node influences tunig and sound.  It is more difficult to get the pitch right as it is more flexible and meri/kari allows for greater pitch range.  Total range is about one and a half octaves, so only few shakuhachi honkyoku are playable (but fingerings are different).  It is close to impossible to get scores (and the notation is different).

What really makes the hitoyogiri different though is the sound.  Trying to compare I would describe hitoyogiri sound as more "heavenly" as opposed to a more "earthy" sound of shakuhachi.

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