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#1 2009-04-11 00:48:51

airin
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WarmUps

Other than the classic ro-buki and long tones, what other warmup techniques are there?

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#2 2009-04-11 01:35:30

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Re: WarmUps

airin wrote:

Other than the classic ro-buki and long tones, what other warmup techniques are there?

Have a good, long, hard look at this material:

     http://www.shakuhachizen.com/learning.html

From the website of Phil Horan. Should be 6 months to a year's worth of stuff there, depending on how ambitious you are.

[BTW: found in 45 seconds on the Forum search engine, entering: 'warm ups']

Two other items, not stricly warmups, but things to do and think about, from John Neptune (direct download links: right-click, and 'Save Target As...'):

     http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/1467 … ge10zs.jpg

     http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/2782 … ge23rl.jpg

Oh, and while I'm at it, here's some more useful stuff (cost you some money, though...). This is intermediate to advanced, although
the first one would be good for all levels (James Nyoraku Schlefer's books):

     http://www.shakuhachi.com/PG-Schlefer-WB.html

     http://www.shakuhachi.com/PG-Schlefer-PS.html

     http://www.shakuhachi.com/SM-Schlefer-Duets.html

Last edited by edosan (2009-04-11 02:01:39)


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#3 2009-04-11 03:08:53

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Re: WarmUps

Very helpful Edosan, I will take my time checking those links out.

BTW, I actually did do a couple of forum searches on this topic but perhaps my combining the words 'warm' and 'up' threw the engine off track.  :-)

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#4 2009-04-11 11:00:07

geni
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Re: WarmUps

hi Airin,
playing  scales is a good warm up. Do that for 10 min. Than you will get the max from your Long tone exercises.

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#5 2009-04-11 11:34:37

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Re: WarmUps

edosan wrote:

Two other items, not stricly warmups, but things to do and think about, from John Neptune (direct download links: right-click, and 'Save Target As...'):

     http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/1467 … ge10zs.jpg

     http://img439.imageshack.us/img439/2782 … ge23rl.jpg

Thank you for those, edosan.


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#6 2009-04-11 12:34:19

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Re: WarmUps

airin wrote:

Very helpful Edosan, I will take my time checking those links out.

BTW, I actually did do a couple of forum searches on this topic but perhaps my combining the words 'warm' and 'up' threw the engine off track.  :-)

Ah, that's a GOOD Forum member smile


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#7 2009-04-11 14:08:53

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Re: WarmUps

edosan wrote:

Ah, that's a GOOD Forum member smile

Lest we forget that the need for Ed's approval is what brings us all to the forum in the first place.


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#8 2009-04-11 14:56:06

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Re: WarmUps

rpowers wrote:

edosan wrote:

Ah, that's a GOOD Forum member smile

Lest we forget that the need for Ed's approval is what brings us all to the forum in the first place.

BAD Forum member sad


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#9 2009-04-28 14:22:50

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Re: WarmUps

I usually play some children's songs.


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#10 2009-04-28 19:24:16

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Re: WarmUps

lowonthetotem wrote:

I usually play some children's songs.

And on that note, seeing as my daily practice schedule is ENTIRELY warm-ups at the moment, apart from some very poor attempts to play some pieces, are there any 'very very' basic pieces (japanese, not western) I can download. The stuff I've got is ok but requires technique that will take a while to get even sounding vaguely alright. Of course I'll aim to achieve this but what I think I need right now is some stuff that will boost my ego (how un-zen like of me) so that I think I'm crash hot (in a minimalist kind of way!). Thanks in advance.


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#11 2009-04-29 08:30:19

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Re: WarmUps

Last night I was watching NHK World and happen to catch a show about shakuhachi. The person (I believe his name was Hozan Fujiwara) went into a grade school and introduce the instrument to the kids. He worked with them for several days teaching them a piece called "Kagome Kagome". It only uses 4 notes. Sadly I wasn't able to get them. Anyone have that piece?


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#12 2009-04-29 09:18:51

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Re: WarmUps

lowonthetotem wrote:

I usually play some children's songs.

I find running through the short etudes and children's songs in Tokuyama Takashi's "Beginner's Guide" book from page 33 up to page 42 to be a decent warm-up. They start out in otsu and progress into kan which I find to be better a better warm up than long tones across the entire range in the first few minutes because those kan notes just don't sound good until I've done some solid groundwork in otsu.

I'd find these songs too easy and boring if I didn't pull out the tuner and try to get the needle to stay in the center though.

After that "warm-up", the long tones across the range of the instrument (from James Schlefer's book) seem to be more productive and worthwhile, although in my opinion the long tones still fall into the "warm-up" category.

Where I am in my progress I wouldn't consider anything with kazashi or meri to be warm-up material because it strays too far from basic tone production. However I can see where after I get the finger positions and head angles to be second nature some meri material could be considered as a warm-up.

I could be wrong, but with shakuhachi it seems that "warm-ups" should be more tone oriented than with silver flute or other keyed woodwinds where getting your fingers loosened up to do fast runs is essential warm-up material.


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#13 2009-04-29 09:24:35

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Re: WarmUps

Yuusui wrote:

Last night I was watching NHK World and happen to catch a show about shakuhachi. The person (I believe his name was Hozan Fujiwara) went into a grade school and introduce the instrument to the kids. He worked with them for several days teaching them a piece called "Kagome Kagome". It only uses 4 notes. Sadly I wasn't able to get them. Anyone have that piece?

It's in the Tokuyama Takashi book I just mentioned in the previous post. It's the first song that uses Ro kan, so I think he's got 6 notes in there.


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#14 2009-04-29 09:53:42

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Re: WarmUps

There are lots of variations on the Kagome Kagome melody, but here's one version with no meri that stays in one register:

レー レ チ | レ レ レ . |
レ レレ レ ツツ | レ レツ ロー |
レ ツ レ ツ | レ レツ ロー |
レ レ レ チ | レ レ レ . |
レ ツツ レ ツツ | レ レツ ロー |
レレ レレ レ チ | レ ツ レー |


Matt / no-sword.jp

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#15 2009-04-29 10:08:43

Glenn Swann
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Re: WarmUps

Yuusui wrote:

Last night I was watching NHK World and happen to catch a show about shakuhachi. The person (I believe his name was Hozan Fujiwara) went into a grade school and introduce the instrument to the kids. He worked with them for several days teaching them a piece called "Kagome Kagome". It only uses 4 notes. Sadly I wasn't able to get them. Anyone have that piece?

Fujiwara *D*ozan, I should think. Very high-profile young player. The show is likely the one where accomplished folks in various fields return to their own grade-schools to present whatever it is they do- i watch it often but missed that one!!!! drat.

for kagome kagome, what i have has 4 notes- リ、ロ、リメ、レ the ro is in kan, the rest otsu.

on further searching, found this page (japanese)

http://62145040.at.webry.info/200809/article_10.html

the player in the middle gives you a cute version w/singing, but in a different key than above(i think it sounds better in this key)-  チ、リ中、レ、ツ中 (on a 1.8)
if you click the link where you see "PDF" you can download a staff notation for free....

Last edited by Glenn Swann (2009-04-29 10:18:26)


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#16 2009-04-29 20:04:09

geni
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Re: WarmUps

hej Radiognome Scales are Not only for fingers. And, We do use fingers when we play shakuhachi:-)

Did you try to play 10min of scales before starting with long notes? Please, Do try it & let me know how it goes.

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#17 2009-04-30 08:43:21

Yuusui
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Re: WarmUps

This is exactly what I wanted! SOmething I can play within my limited range and also to practice reading. Thanks!

No-sword wrote:

There are lots of variations on the Kagome Kagome melody, but here's one version with no meri that stays in one register:

レー レ チ | レ レ レ . |
レ レレ レ ツツ | レ レツ ロー |
レ ツ レ ツ | レ レツ ロー |
レ レ レ チ | レ レ レ . |
レ ツツ レ ツツ | レ レツ ロー |
レレ レレ レ チ | レ ツ レー |


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#18 2009-09-04 00:47:46

Rob Bondy
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Re: WarmUps

No-sword wrote:

There are lots of variations on the Kagome Kagome melody, but here's one version with no meri that stays in one register:

. ー |

What are these 3 notations?


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#19 2009-09-04 07:24:26

Michael A. Firman
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Re: WarmUps

Rob Bondy wrote:

No-sword wrote:

There are lots of variations on the Kagome Kagome melody, but here's one version with no meri that stays in one register:

. ー |

What are these 3 notations?

One beat rest, one beat tie from the previous note, and a measure mark, respectively.


Michael A. Firman
Naperville IL USA

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