Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

purehappiness wrote:

Does anyone know what size flute is used by the group tilopa on their album pictures of silence. I love the sound.

If you have a relatively in-tune 1.8 flute, use this (direct link to PDF): http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4003/f … length.pdf

...and you can figure it out for yourself.

Last edited by edosan (2009-03-16 20:45:13)

edosan wrote:

purehappiness wrote:

Does anyone know what size flute is used by the group tilopa on their album pictures of silence. I love the sound.

If you have a relatively in-tune 1.8 flute, use this (direct link to PDF): http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4003/f … length.pdf

...and you can figure it out for yourself.

Purehappiness, please note: I have modified the document, so use the link in THIS post to get it, and if you have any questions as you use it, don't
hesitate to email me.

Last edited by edosan (2009-03-16 20:45:57)

It works pretty well, if you can get past the (sometimes) tricky part, which is locating a Ro in a recording for which you don't have any
sheet music. Gotta listen pretty carefully on some pieces, but there's almost always one in there somewhere....

purehappiness wrote:

I have a perry yung 2.0 earth model. I feel it is fairly in tune.I suppose I am out of luck using this or is there a way around it. I could just shift everything down a note right?I am thinking of making a PVC 1.8 though so maybe I will wait until then.

Depends on what you mean by 'down'. Try this:

• Print the chart; be a good idea to put a note on it that this is for a 2.0

• Below the western note A in the first octave, write '2.8' (sometimes this is called a '2.7; either way, it's pitched at G)
• Below the B, write '2.4'
• Below the C, write '2.3'
• Below the C#, write '2.1'
• Below the D in the second octave, write '2.0'
• Below the Eb, write '1.9'
• Below the E, write '1.8'
• Below the F, write '1.7' 
• Below the F#, write '1.5'

In other words, you are now using a 2.0 as the reference for Ro, so everything shifts accordingly. When you play a Chi on your 2.0 to match
the Ro you hear on the recording, that means that the flute on the recording is a 2.8.

Likewise, if you play a Ri on your 2.0 to match the Ro on the recording, the flute on the recording is a 2.3. You must disregard the names of
the western notes after you make this adjustment.

Alernatively, you can set up the chart as I outline in the PDF, then move all the western note names to the left two places, so that
the D is now over the '2.0' you've written in. In this case, the newly placed western notes will name the flute pitch on the recording. This is most
easily done if you have an image editor, like Photoshop, OR print two charts, slice out a horizontal strip containing the western note names on one,
and stick in place over the western note names on the intact one. If you want me to make you one, let me know, and I'll email it to you.

The Tilopa flutes are going to be long, and probably not tuned to western A440 (they are 'kyotaku', after all).

Another solution: send me an mp3 of the song you want to know the flute length for, an I'll figure it out for you, but you should try it yourself
first. Very good exercise.    edosano[at]yahoo[dot]com

[Gee, I hope this is right. I haven't had breakfast yet, which includes tea, and the life-giving tachycardia....]

Last edited by edosan (2009-03-11 11:23:39)

I found this site and it is very infromative.

http://www.tilopa.de/english_tilopa.htm

cy23 wrote:

Thanks for the chart, it saved my day - I was looking for a while for that.
Christian

That chart applies to 2.0. You need a different one for 1.8.

cy23 wrote:

Oh... thanks, didn't know that the charts differ for the different flute sizes.

To clarify (and hopefully not just increase the confusion):

THAT post above applies to a 2.0 flute because it goes with a method of determining the length of flute being played on a recording when all you have is a 2.0 flute. The chart in the download link is NOT for a 2.0, but for a 1.8. I've showed how to modify that chart in the post above so it can be used with a 2.0 instead of a 1.8.

The PDF at THIS link: http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4003/f … length.pdf is for using a 1.8 flute to find out what length flute is being played on a recording.

BUT, in shakuhachi fingering charts, ALL charts generally refer to ALL length flutes. There are not different charts for different flute sizes.

Last edited by edosan (2009-05-14 10:31:34)