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#1 2009-05-18 15:56:06

Christopher B.
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Pieces that I going to learn

Hi all,

I am wondering what kind of pieces I learn with my teacher, I found no info on the net abou them. Maybe someone of you can help me. I allready posted some info about my teacher in another topic. I just searching for some recordings to practice.

1. Hi Fu MI
2. Hon Te Choshi
3. Hachi Gaishi

Thanks.

Last edited by Christopher B. (2009-05-18 17:09:15)


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#2 2009-05-18 17:07:00

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

See: http://www.komuso.com for information on those pieces.  It is a wealth of knowledge.  I hope this helps.
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#3 2009-05-18 17:10:23

Christopher B.
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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

I allready looked there but found nothing that helps me sad


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#4 2009-05-18 17:46:49

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

Hi Christopher!

Take a look here http://www.centertao.org/essays/blowing … dings-mp3/


It's the Carl Abbott site and he has some records there including a version of Hi Fu Mi...




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#5 2009-05-18 23:59:22

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

Hi Christopher. One of your problems might be spelling/romanization...

1. Hi Fu MI --> (this one is OK)
2. Hon Te Choshi --> Honte Choshi
3. Hachi Gaishi --> Hachigaeshi

There are a few versions of these pieces (or related pieces) listed under H at komuso.com:

http://www.komuso.com/pieces/#H

... but there are multiple versions of all three of them in circulation, so it might be tough to find a reference recording that actually matches what your teacher plays. Maybe asking your teacher directly what they recommend, next time you see them, would help.


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#6 2009-05-19 05:41:18

Christopher B.
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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

Hi all, thanks for your help. The version I learn are so different from the pieces I actually have found in the web. I will ask my teacher next time if he has some recordings or if he can record them with me.

I have found something that sounds like the version of Hi-Fu-Mi I learn.

http://www.komuso2.com/audio/192%20---%20Track%202.mp3

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#7 2009-10-07 14:04:20

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

always the shirabe \choshi is the basic one in any Ryu .  that is the first one you should learn .  after Honte choshi , try the Choshi , that is the advanced version .  but sounds much more pretty .   hi fu mi hachigaishi is a little dificilt .


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#8 2009-11-10 17:47:52

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

chattemao wrote:

always the shirabe \choshi is the basic one in any Ryu .  that is the first one you should learn .  after Honte choshi , try the Choshi , that is the advanced version .  but sounds much more pretty .   hi fu mi hachigaishi is a little dificilt .

I haven't heard of these, maybe I'll study them later? My progression so far has been: kuro kami, rokudan no shirabe, and now I'm learning san dan no shirabe.


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#9 2009-11-10 21:26:39

Glenn Swann
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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

choshi, honshirabe, hifumi hachigaeshi etc. are "honkyoku" pieces, kurokami, rokudan, sandan, are "gaikyoku" more specifically "jiuta" (kurokami) "sokyoku" (rokudan,sandan{tho sandan is 20th century}) pieces.  usually just called "sankyoku"(music for 3)
honkyoku are the pieces that are exclusively SHAKUHACHI- that is, the sort that folks sometime call "zen" pieces (forum discussions aplenty on this one) or meditation oriented pieces. each school will have a set repertoire of these.
gaikyoku is anything else, let's say music oriented pieces that may involve other instruments as well. the ones you mentioned would be accompanied by koto or shamisen, indeed koto or shamisen would be considered the "main" instrument. (kurokami is shamisen based, the others koto-based) in pieces like that, usually the string part was writtten 1st, shakuhachi added later, altho more modern pieces will likely be composed with both in mind.
some schools do exclusively honkyoku- so you would start straight up with pieces like those mentioned. some, perhaps most, as in your case, will have you on gaikyoku/sankyoku for a good long time before you get to any honkyoku.

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#10 2009-11-11 19:11:14

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

Thanks for the great information. I practice to recordings of shamisen or koto, so I understand the sankyoku business. I think that the honkyoku is years away for me.

My teacher told me yesterday, as I struggled with san dan no shrirabe 'You sound like an old man singing karaoke'.


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#11 2009-11-11 22:38:01

Glenn Swann
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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

ssakamoto wrote:

Thanks for the great information. I practice to recordings of shamisen or koto, so I understand the sankyoku business. I think that the honkyoku is years away for me.

My teacher told me yesterday, as I struggled with san dan no shrirabe 'You sound like an old man singing karaoke'.

a sense of humor in a sensei is a wonderful thing! merciless! smile


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#12 2009-11-11 23:54:04

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Re: Pieces that I going to learn

I''ve had the pleasure of hearing old Japanese men sing Enka at karaoke. I'd take it as a compliment myself!

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