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#1 2009-05-29 23:30:26

ABRAXAS
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Tadashi Tajima shreds....

There are older videos of Tadashi Tajima on youtube that everyone here has probably already seen. This one was newly listed today.

This guy rips!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR5-geVmQlI


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#2 2009-05-30 02:08:44

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Nice video. Chikuzen told me he was a Sankyoku player for a long time, then he decided to get funky.
For the record, that's a 2.0.


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#3 2009-05-30 03:36:06

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I had the honor to hear him live here in Germany this Year and as I can say he is one of the most famous player that I have ever heard. He plays with much of hearth an really have the skills tongue


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#4 2009-05-30 06:03:38

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

wow.. playing a 7 hole shakuhachi..  smile


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#5 2009-05-31 14:50:40

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

I wonder who the flute maker is......


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#6 2009-05-31 15:02:43

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

dust wrote:

wow.. playing a 7 hole shakuhachi..  smile

I think that's a regular 5-hole. Where are you seeing that it is a 7-hole?


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#7 2009-05-31 15:08:44

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Near the beginning I saw a spot that looked like a hole near the root, but then those areas do not seem to be used after that point - I could be wrong.  Maybe the two extra holes were filled in?

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#8 2009-05-31 16:30:59

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/projectdust/2.jpg


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj273/projectdust/pinky.jpg


Michael could be right.. maybe the extra holes are filled in..  smile






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#9 2009-05-31 23:04:58

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Good "24"/CSI-sleuthing guys!

I wish I had you guys around when I got divorced from my first wife.


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#10 2009-05-31 23:58:49

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

They must be filled, at least temporarily, because he plays all the Ro's with the bottom hole 'open', which you can't do if it's actually open, and he plays all the meri notes in normal Dokyoku fashion.

Besides, it'd be obvious if he were playing that piece using an actual seven-hole flute; it would sound 'wrong'.

Last edited by edosan (2009-06-01 00:04:02)


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#11 2009-06-01 09:48:32

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

edosan wrote:

They must be filled, at least temporarily, because he plays all the Ro's with the bottom hole 'open', which you can't do if it's actually open, and he plays all the meri notes in normal Dokyoku fashion.

The bottom hole is obviously filled because of the reasons you state and that it looks like he never attempts to cover it. However, it looks like the Bb hole is probably functional because I see some parts where he might be intentionally making an effort to position his finger over it so it is sealed (:24, :44, :55). 

edosan wrote:

Besides, it'd be obvious if he were playing that piece using an actual seven-hole flute; it would sound 'wrong'.

As long as you never lift the the left hand middle finger off the hole (always) and keep the right hand pinky down on the Eb hole (for Tsu meri's) it should sound correct. On seven hole flutes I find it easy to ignore the Bb hole and just keep it covered always. The Eb hole is more of a hassle because Tsu meris require having to roll my finger on what is hole #1 on a standard shakuhachi to open it some while my pinky keeps the lower Eb hole closed. It looks to me like Tadashi Tajima's solution to this problem was to fill just that bottom-most Eb hole.

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#12 2009-06-01 10:49:40

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

edosan wrote:

Besides, it'd be obvious if he were playing that piece using an actual seven-hole flute; it would sound 'wrong'.

As long as you never lift the the left hand middle finger off the hole (always) and keep the right hand pinky down on the Eb hole (for Tsu meri's) it should sound correct. On seven hole flutes I find it easy to ignore the Bb hole and just keep it covered always. The Eb hole is more of a hassle because Tsu meris require having to roll my finger on what is hole #1 on a standard shakuhachi to open it some while my pinky keeps the lower Eb hole closed. It looks to me like Tadashi Tajima's solution to this problem was to fill just that bottom-most Eb hole.

You have a persistent tendency to post on matters you know little or nothing about.

The reason it would sound 'wrong' on an actual 7-hole is that, although the pitches of the normally meri'd notes would be right, they'd sound just like all the regular kari notes; just as loud, and same color. Obviously you've never heard a 7-hole a/b'd with a 5-hole. The difference is substantial.

To illustrate, here is a clip of the theme from Itsuki no Komori Uta, played first on a 5-hole flute followed by a different player on a 7-hole flute (the latter is Iwao YONEYA, who plays lots of great Minyo on a 7-hole, the big cheater):

     http://www.4shared.com/file/109178135/b … -hole.html

[and damn and blast 4shared for providing a 'free' host service, then making you wait to get the download. Free ain't generally free...but you can
stream the file right there on the site]

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#13 2009-06-01 12:17:45

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

edosan wrote:

edosan wrote:

Besides, it'd be obvious if he were playing that piece using an actual seven-hole flute; it would sound 'wrong'.

radi0gnome wrote:

As long as you never lift the the left hand middle finger off the hole (always) and keep the right hand pinky down on the Eb hole (for Tsu meri's) it should sound correct. On seven hole flutes I find it easy to ignore the Bb hole and just keep it covered always. The Eb hole is more of a hassle because Tsu meris require having to roll my finger on what is hole #1 on a standard shakuhachi to open it some while my pinky keeps the lower Eb hole closed. It looks to me like Tadashi Tajima's solution to this problem was to fill just that bottom-most Eb hole.

You have a persistent tendency to post on matters you know little or nothing about.

OK, maybe I'm a beginner but I have two seven hole shakuhachi so I think I know a little about what I'm talking about. My point is that you don't have to use the two extra holes. For the Bb you can just keep your left hand middle finger down over that extra hole, half-hole what would be hole 4 on a standard shakuhachi and meri your way down to a Bb. It should sound pretty darn close to a standard 5 hole shakuhachi because even though you've got the extra hole you don't have to use it. It shouldn't even be much of a problem because most players keep their left hand middle finger down to help support the flute anyway. The Eb is more problematic because it's somewhat tough on the fingers to half-hole and meri what would be hole 1 on a standard flute and keep your pinky finger down on the the extra Eb hole (ie., not use it) at the same time.

I see Tadashi Tajima appears to be making sure that the middle finger of his left hand is covering the Bb hole completely, that suggests that the hole isn't filled because if it were it wouldn't matter where his finger landed. However, it looks like he's ignoring the extra Eb hole completely, and as you pointed out he wouldn't be getting those Ro's by leaving it uncovered unless it was filled.

I appreciate your posting those sound files because it's a good example of why the two extra holes aren't useful for traditional music, but this constant attacking me on things I only know a little about is starting to get annoying. It almost seems like you didn't even bother read my post because I went back to reread it and it seems pretty clear that I was talking about having 7 holes but not using the extra 2. Then you respond by saying that I don't know what I'm talking about because using the holes sounds different than meri'ing from other notes.

P.S. Are you sure the second example is the 7 hole one? It almost sounds like the 7 hole example is first with the lack of tonal variation in the first example.

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#14 2009-06-01 14:59:20

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

radi0gnome wrote:

P.S. Are you sure the second example is the 7 hole one? It almost sounds like the 7 hole example is first with the lack of tonal variation in the first example.

I'm sure.


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#15 2009-06-01 18:27:49

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

edosan wrote:

radi0gnome wrote:

P.S. Are you sure the second example is the 7 hole one? It almost sounds like the 7 hole example is first with the lack of tonal variation in the first example.

I'm sure.

Any idea what the popping sound is at 50 seconds in? The difference in the meri notes is pretty subtle in the first example, but I hear it. The second example actually has more pitch bends, maybe that's how he keeps it interesting and acceptable to play it on a 7 hole? I'm just guessing, could just be a different style or something too.


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#16 2009-09-03 14:31:14

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Hi Andrew,

Please, is it a regular jiari? sometimes it sounds like a jinashi-jimori.

Do you have contact information about Okadera Chikuyuu shakuhachi? does he has a website to see/listen to his shakuhachi.

thanks so much

Matheus


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#17 2009-09-03 15:15:57

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

No one has attacked anyone's mother yet so by all means let's keep this thread open. big_smile

A gentle reminder though - On this forum, it's always best to state your case without insult or fingerpointing, allow others to agree or disagree in the same manner, then stand back and let the dust clear itself. Even if you're right! Never easy, but always worth it!

Onward shakuhachi warriors!

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#18 2009-09-03 19:25:13

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Mujitsu wrote:

No one has attacked anyone's mother yet ...

True, but we could always discuss:

Is the Federal Healthcare Option a Socialist Conspiracy to Kill Our Grandmothers and Make Our Children Play Jinashi?

Was 9-11 an Inside Job or Just the Tip of the Iceberg for 7-hole Shakuhachi Conspirators?

Obama: Communist, Fascist,  Anti-Christ or Jinashi Player?

Was Bin Laden on the Grassy Knoll with a Loaded Jimori?

or ... Are Jiari Players Just Big Shakuhachi Cheaters?

Takers anyone?


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#19 2009-09-03 21:04:50

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

panda wrote:

Is the Federal Healthcare Option a Socialist Conspiracy to Kill Our Grandmothers and Make Our Children Play Jinashi?

Was 9-11 an Inside Job or Just the Tip of the Iceberg for 7-hole Shakuhachi Conspirators?

Obama: Communist, Fascist,  Anti-Christ or Jinashi Player?

Was Bin Laden on the Grassy Knoll with a Loaded Jimori?

or ... Are Jiari Players Just Big Shakuhachi Cheaters?

.
    Watch out Ken. It's quite evident that the cute baby panda is really subversive and starting to stir things up. It seems that his aim is create confusion among the shaku masses by throwing out secret zen koans disguised as typical shaku JIo-political questions. There are 3 or 4 words in each sentence that detonate emotional time bombs once the koan has effectively stopped the brain from logical activity. He's moving towards MUTINY I tell you. To take over the Shakuhachi Forum is just one of his short range goals. Panda eating bamboo is such an apt symbol of his appetite to eventually take control of EVERYTHING to do with shakuhachi. WATCH OUT! DON'T FEED THE PANDA!

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#20 2009-09-04 10:17:20

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

chikuzen wrote:

Watch out Ken. It's quite evident that the cute baby panda is really subversive and starting to stir things up.

Come to think of it, maybe what the forum needs is a Carnival week where anything goes! Imagine the glorious carnage! Must bring this up at next brain trust meeting! big_smile

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#21 2009-09-04 16:11:46

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Mujitsu wrote:

chikuzen wrote:

Watch out Ken. It's quite evident that the cute baby panda is really subversive and starting to stir things up.

Come to think of it, maybe what the forum needs is a Carnival week where anything goes!

FOOD FIGHT!


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#22 2009-09-04 18:08:46

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Chris Moran wrote:

FOOD FIGHT!

A  shakuhachi shivaree in a ryu milieu!

.......Ok, it's Friday. tongue

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#23 2009-09-29 19:56:25

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Re: Tadashi Tajima shreds....

Thanks so much Andrew, I am a great admirer of Tajima's Sensei playing!

Cheers from Brazil!


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