Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

Musgo da Pedra · 2009-10-08 08:23:19

I would like to know when acrylic started to be used to make the utaguchi. There are any references about it?

Thanks

Jon Kypros · 2009-10-08 11:40:50

My educated guess would be the late Chikusen Tamai or one of his students.

Musgo da Pedra · 2009-10-09 08:14:55

Hi Jon!

Yes..

I made this question because I am playing now a nice Tamai Chikuzen 1.8 that was told me to have about 60 years old (but I am not sure about it, I will check with the previous owner again). This flute already have a original acrylic utaguchi, so I became interested on that issue...

A big hug man!

Jon Kypros · 2009-10-09 11:24:30

Hello!

I understand... Hmmm, it could be replaced, not original. Or maybe it isn't acrylic but an older type of plastic like celluloid which would have been available 60 years ago.

edosan · 2009-10-09 12:22:05

Jon wrote:
Hello!

I understand... Hmmm, it could be replaced, not original. Or maybe it isn't acrylic but an older type of plastic like celluloid which would have been available 60 years ago.

Thing about 60 year-old celluloid is that it generally looks 60 years old, or worse, as it degrades over time, often disintegrating.

Musgo da Pedra · 2009-10-09 14:20:52

Jon wrote:
... Hmmm, it could be replaced, not original.

For sure it's original. I am just not so sure about how old it is... I am waiting a confirmation from the previous owner, and as soon as I receive it I will confirm!

Peace!

Jon Kypros · 2009-10-10 00:14:29

edosan wrote:
Thing about 60 year-old celluloid is that it generally looks 60 years old, or worse, as it degrades over time, often disintegrating.

There are straight razors with celluloid handles from the late 19th century that are as good as new. I own one actually.

mrwuwu · 2009-10-10 08:51:12

Hi, everybody, If this helps, I bought a flute with an acrylic utaguchi ( translucent plexi or lexan? ) made by Perry Yung who occasionally uses acrylic utaguchi's, who I think I remember he said he learned it from his flutemaking sensei Kinya Ogawa, who either was a direct uschi deschi or apprentice of Chikusen Tamai, or of a student of Chikusen sensei. Also, I own a flute made by Chikusen which I thought had an utaguchi made of slightly see through horn or shell with a bit of swirly colors, but Perry said that it was a type of plastic and some flutemakers will make utaguchi's from found materials if they had a certain natural beauty.

edosan · 2009-10-10 11:48:15

Jon wrote:
edosan wrote:
Thing about 60 year-old celluloid is that it generally looks 60 years old, or worse, as it degrades over time, often disintegrating.
There are straight razors with celluloid handles from the late 19th century that are as good as new. I own one actually.

Well shucks, that must prove that the stuff lasts forever, then!

Jon Kypros · 2009-10-10 14:42:26

edosan wrote:
Well shucks, that must prove that the stuff lasts forever, then!

I imagine some future intelligent creatures will find our bodies preserved in strata along with smiley face trash bags and other plastic relics. Horst will be found with an epoxy tube with some bamboo dust still clinging to it and the archeologist's will declare it the oldest instrument of our world...

Mujitsu and Tairaku's Shakuhachi BBQ

#1 2009-10-08 08:23:19

When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

#2 2009-10-08 11:40:50

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

#3 2009-10-09 08:14:55

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

#4 2009-10-09 11:24:30

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

#5 2009-10-09 12:22:05

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

Jon wrote:

#6 2009-10-09 14:20:52

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

Jon wrote:

#7 2009-10-10 00:14:29

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

edosan wrote:

#8 2009-10-10 08:51:12

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

#9 2009-10-10 11:48:15

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

Jon wrote:

edosan wrote:

#10 2009-10-10 14:42:26

Re: When acrylic started to apear on utaguchi

edosan wrote:

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