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#1 2010-03-24 10:44:19

kladska
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Ro dai meri kan

Should it be possible to play "kan ro dai meri" (the ro with the star inside) at ri pitch?
I tried everything and cannot get below C# (on 1.8). In otsu register I reach C or even B (the latter only in isolation / practice mode).

Thanks, Martin

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#2 2010-03-24 11:55:30

Jim Thompson
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

Hi Kladska,
Try making the inside of your mouth a big empty round cavern. In other words open your jaw making your upper and lower teeth further apart, tongue back.. Slow your airspeed down to almost zero.  Let it be very soft. And, of course, maximum meri. Please let me know if that helps.
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#3 2010-03-24 15:10:27

Ryuzen
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

Martin,

My suggestion is to focus on the upper lip going over the top to get the pitch down. But also aim your air stream at the right corner of the utaguchi where the utaguchi material meets the bamboo. Mouth is slightly open, bottom jaw going to the left and upper jaw to the right. Although it's naturally a quiet note, you want to try to make it strong, and "sandy" sounding (like most meris, which is what I was taught. Although other schools may differ.)

You can reach the pitch (C) with thumb on or off, but when playing a piece, I usually crack open the thumb (from the bottom of the hole just a bit) as it's easier to get the pitch that way within the playing of a phrase of notes.   

Good luck,

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#4 2010-03-24 16:48:48

edosan
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

I'm curious: anyone care to tell me where that pitch/fingering occurs?


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#5 2010-03-24 17:45:10

Moran from Planet X
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

All holes closed, pitch at Ha (Ri). Timbre is going to be very different from normal Ha (Ri). Thin, hollow, softer.

edosan wrote:

I'm curious: anyone care to tell me where that pitch/fingering occurs?

Okay now I understand your question. I was just going to ask the same thing, only more specifically, like:

"Kladska. what is the title of the piece of music you are using that requires a kan-Ro-dia-meri?"


(My guess is that is an advanced Jin Nyodo piece ... as if there were anything like a non-advanced Jin Nyodo piece)

Last edited by Chris Moran (2010-03-24 18:14:09)


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#6 2010-03-24 18:32:22

edosan
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

Chris Moran wrote:

"Kladska. what is the title of the piece of music you are using that requires a kan-Ro-dai-meri?"

Yeah, that...exactly. Thanks, X.

Last edited by edosan (2010-03-24 18:32:55)


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#7 2010-03-24 20:20:14

chikuzen
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

Eddy, look no further than Honshirabe.


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#8 2010-03-24 20:53:33

Moran from Planet X
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

edosan wrote:

Chris Moran wrote:

"Kladska. what is the title of the piece of music you are using that requires a kan-Ro-dai-meri?"

Yeah, that...exactly. Thanks, X.

Any time. It's all about the search parameters.

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#9 2010-03-24 21:00:22

Moran from Planet X
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

chikuzen wrote:

Eddy, look no further than Honshirabe.

Kan Ro-dai-meri?


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#10 2010-03-24 21:29:37

edosan
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

chikuzen wrote:

Eddy, look no further than Honshirabe.

Drat you, Chikuzen (with deep, groveling bows, of course...)!

Toward the end, in the phrase right after the long 'tsu-reeeeeeeeeee' (in kan), you've got tsu-meri(in kan), tsu-dai-meri, ro-kan, ro-dai-meri-kan, ro-kan, nayashi, etc....

Drat you!

Anyhoo, it's quite doable, having done it hundreds of times...


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
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#11 2010-03-24 22:40:10

Moran from Planet X
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

edosan wrote:

... right after the long 'tsu-reeeeeeeeeee' (in kan), you've got tsu-meri(in kan), tsu-dai-meri, ro-kan, ro-dai-meri-kan, ro-kan, nayashi, etc....

That's cheating. All my sheet-music has on it is squiggly lines.


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#12 2010-03-26 04:02:53

kladska
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Re: Ro dai meri kan

Thanks so much for your tips Jim & Alcvin, and the other repliers for their interest!

I tried both yesterday for 10min with partial success will keep going and post again when I reach the ri pitch :-).

Best wishes, Martin

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