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#51 2010-01-08 17:38:35

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

-Prem posted this elsewhere but I thought I'd stick it here as well so that when people read this thread they can access it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sxo7-WgifY


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#52 2010-01-23 21:37:11

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

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#53 2010-01-24 06:08:51

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

geni wrote:

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

Lacy=GOD


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#54 2010-01-24 14:25:33

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

I got this LP in the mail yesterday, when I hook up a turntable I'll write a review.


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#55 2010-01-24 14:39:51

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

geni wrote:

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

I'd like to check this out but I'm probably not going to shell out $100 for a used copy. Anyone reprinting this?

What are some of the best shakuhachi-relevant excercises from Lacy?

Sounds like good stuff from a great musician.


"Shakuhachi music stirs up both gods and demons." -- Ikkyu.

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#56 2010-01-24 14:47:04

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

they are ALL great for shakuhachi! Writte to me privatly &  give you a free lesson.
The book is a must. $100 is not a lot , because there is information & work to do for a lifetime.I really like how the information/exercises are organised.The CD is Awesome!!!

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#57 2010-01-24 14:47:54

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

ABRAXAS wrote:

geni wrote:

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

I'd like to check this out but I'm probably not going to shell out $100 for a used copy. Anyone reprinting this?

$100 gets two CD's and a book. Not too bad. One of the CD's is mainly Lacy practicing scales, arpeggios, exercises, long tones, etc. Sounds like it might be boring but it is F^%&^%ng! GREAT! Listening to him practice is an incredible inspiration and a warning because "we" do not sound anything like that. Shows you how far you have to go.


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#58 2010-01-24 14:53:36

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

Haha! Ok, you've talked me into it. wink


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#59 2010-01-24 15:42:21

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

ABRAXAS wrote:

geni wrote:

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

I'd like to check this out but I'm probably not going to shell out $100 for a used copy. Anyone reprinting this?

What are some of the best shakuhachi-relevant excercises from Lacy?

Sounds like good stuff from a great musician.

I don't know Lacy's method. Geni has me using a different method by someone else. There are plenty of jazz improvisational methods on the market, probably because jazz improvisation is really hard and selling methods can be a good source of income. I was getting tips from an outstanding silver flute improviser, Bill McBirnie, and he said that improvisational technique is much harder to learn than the instrument. The degree of difficulty of shakuhachi compared to silver flute I'm sure levels the playing field some, but a statement like that coming from such a solid player ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdzMUIHpHu0 ) should give a clue to how hard it is to learn. I never succeeded in learning it much at all, but I certainly tried. Now, with computer technology making it easy to create play-along tracks that you can customize tempo, key signature and other aspects of the song... and with a little help from Geni, I think maybe I have a bit better of a chance.         

The method Geni has me using is new to me. Its biggest advantage to others that I've seen is that the concept is simple, however it still entails a lot of the kind of practice that's not particularly fun (unlike trying to get your shakuhachi to cover the full spectrum of sound it's capable of).

This is something I just found and looked over. It's a jazz improvisation method that has a lot of commonality with others I've seen, it's free and is a good starting point.   
http://www.jazclass.aust.com/im1.htm


Edit -- Whoops! Bill's video is in three parts, here's his solo on the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9o2L3oC_o

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#60 2010-01-24 15:51:17

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

Charles, Lacy's book and CD are not instructional from a beginner's viewpoint. It's philosophical and has a lot of exercises that can be adapted for any instrument. But sax players will get the most out of it because it's written for sax, specifically soprano.


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#61 2010-01-24 16:03:28

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

Tairaku wrote:

Charles, Lacy's book and CD are not instructional from a beginner's viewpoint. It's philosophical and has a lot of exercises that can be adapted for any instrument. But sax players will get the most out of it because it's written for sax, specifically soprano.

So that would be like one of Steve Lacy's exercises you mentioned earlier, I think it was walking while playing, one note per step? Any others??


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#62 2010-01-24 16:23:19

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

Ask Geni to show you the book at your next lesson and you'll know exactly what is there. roll


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#63 2010-01-24 16:53:26

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

hi Charles, Bill is a great improviser. He did practise lots of Charlie Parker solos from Omnibook & lots transcriptions. But, with shakuhachi is different. We don't want the shakuhachi to sound like a jazz flute. The key to improv with shakuhachi is:
to know the instument very very well, its background (tradional study) the vocabulary (patterns of shakuhachi music). To know what can be played & what can not be played.
Next step to is develop a improv system that works for the shaku,so when you play you sound like a shakuhachi not a flute or saxophone.
In order to do that we need to do research ;-) See what people before us have done, how they did it , what did they practice & more important..do we like that? Do we want to sound like that?
etc...

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#64 2010-01-24 20:02:58

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

ABRAXAS wrote:

geni wrote:

he needs to practice some exercises from  Steve Lacy book;-) (we all do)

I'd like to check this out but I'm probably not going to shell out $100 for a used copy. Anyone reprinting this?

What are some of the best shakuhachi-relevant excercises from Lacy?

Sounds like good stuff from a great musician.

$58 here: http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi … rrency=USD


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Now everything that nature breeds, Doth clad itself in pleasant weeds."
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#65 2010-01-24 20:05:19

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

ABRAXAS wrote:

Haha! Ok, you've talked me into it. wink

N.B.: It's in western notation, innit?

[Yep, it is. More learning fun for YOU!  47 bucks at the Jazz Loft: http://www.jazzloft.com/p-41855-finding … 2-cds.aspx

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#66 2010-01-24 21:06:22

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

edosan wrote:

ABRAXAS wrote:

Haha! Ok, you've talked me into it. wink

N.B.: It's in western notation, innit?

[Yep, it is. More learning fun for YOU!  47 bucks at the Jazz Loft: http://www.jazzloft.com/p-41855-finding … 2-cds.aspx

Ironic that what little formal training I've ever had in reading music, now long forgotten, was for sax.


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#67 2010-01-24 21:31:42

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

The Lacy book is great and the CD is a good listening experience on its own. But for shakuhachi James Nyoraku's books are more useful and accomplish some of the same things. I would recommend getting both.


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#68 2010-01-25 12:09:59

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

edosan wrote:

ABRAXAS wrote:

Haha! Ok, you've talked me into it. wink

N.B.: It's in western notation, innit?

[Yep, it is. More learning fun for YOU!  47 bucks at the Jazz Loft: http://www.jazzloft.com/p-41855-finding … 2-cds.aspx

Looks like I'm going to be learning to read music again if I want to play "She's Too Fat Polka" on the Harmonium anyway, might as well pick up what applies to the bamboo on the way. wink


"Shakuhachi music stirs up both gods and demons." -- Ikkyu.

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#69 2019-05-21 23:29:48

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Re: Sabu Orimo solo shakuhachi LP

I'm going to do something radical and reply to a thread on the forum. I had Sabu Orimo down here for Mona Foma in Tasmania and he was an excellent performer and fun to play with as well. He's a true artist.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sabu+or … &dpr=2

Follow that search and you can see some videos.


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