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#1 2007-09-07 09:29:19

marek
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Tones tuned in groups?

Hi makers,

I got this new super-nice jiari flute from Yokota and was wondering whether there is any reason that tsu, re, chi can be played in a single position(in tune) with no adjustments and the other notes need some minor adjustment. However, there is a different postion for the group(tsu, re, chi) in each register. I am wondering whether this is flute-specific or whether it is usually like that.

Thanks.

Marek


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#2 2007-09-07 11:48:40

philthefluter
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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

Hi Marek,

I presume you are talking about the same shakuhachi I played recently. It is rare to find a shakuhachi that does not need some slight adjustments for tuning. Your new shakuhachi is well tuned. If I remember correctly, chi is a little high in otsu (but ok in kan), hi is a little high (this is very common-hi does need a little meri) and there needs to be some minor adjustments in kan. All this is normal. You are lucky to have such a fine shakuhachi.

If you are willing to pay a lot more, you can find a shakuhachi with closer tuning. Tuning can offer differ between players and how they blow certain notes and registers. It is great that you can hear the notes that are slightly out. You can develop the meri-kari technique to adjust. If you eventually play shakuhachi of different lengths by different makers you will need to make constant adjustments.

Phil.


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#3 2007-09-08 12:08:25

Derek Van Choice
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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

I've often wondered why the finer shakuhachi, both vintage and some newer, tend to have tsu otsu a little flat, and chi's usually sharp... ri as well.  I assumed it was preferencial, due to the subtle micro-tones used in the Eastern modes, though as I attempt to adjust the tone color and power of each note on some instruments, I often find key points for tsu/chi being quite affected by the holes (4th & 5th, respectively). 

Attempting to add/remove within the hole's circumferencial boundary does not always seem to cure it, or when it does, other things may suffer greatly (as is common in shakuhachi making).  Instruments with a southerly 1st and northerly 4th hole tend to be easier to dial in.  That's likely just due to my own, limited experience, though.

Perhaps, the micro-tone structure was a result of frustrated shakuhachi makers smile  ?

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#4 2007-10-16 06:54:07

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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

Michal wrote:

Marku, m?žete specifikovat Váš dotaz v ?eštin? (p?ípadn? na m?j email)?

OK dudes, this is an "International" shakuhachi forum, not an intergalactic one! smile Please do not speak Klingon here!


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#5 2007-10-16 11:23:29

dstone
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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

Brian, my Klingon is a bit rusty, but I think he said "Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man but only a fool fights in a burning house."  Either that or something about go no ha.

-Darren.


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#6 2007-10-17 05:48:46

marek
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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

"Four thousand throats may be cut in one night by a running man but only a fool fights in a burning house."
big_smile

Ahh, you folks just dont have a clue about slavic languages... and I might take it as a personal dishonour!
I.. just... might.

Cheers,

M


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#7 2007-10-17 17:21:36

dstone
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Re: Tones tuned in groups?

marek wrote:

Ahh, you folks just dont have a clue about slavic languages... and I might take it as a personal dishonour!

LOL, apologies... no offense intended. smile  I attribute my confusion to my Baltic heritage.

-Darren.


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