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#1 2005-10-17 21:59:45

Moran from Planet X
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Chikuho notation and Watazumi

Three part question:

Any place on the Web I can see comparisons between Kinko and Chikuho notations, or _any_ Chikuho notation, for that matter?

I read, possibly in writings of Riley Lee or Tom Deaver, that Watazumi used Chikuho notation?

Any place on the Web to see examples of Watazumi's notation?

Thanks,

Chris


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#2 2005-10-17 22:45:33

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Re: Chikuho notation and Watazumi

If you join the International Shakuhachi Society http://www.komuso.com and ask real nice, you may be permitted to view Watazumi's notation. ISS President, Ronald Nelson is a very standup guy.

Watazumi used a form of Myoan notation. Very simplified, more of a mnemonic device than a detailed score.


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#3 2005-10-18 00:43:31

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Re: Chikuho notation and Watazumi

Tairaku wrote:

If you join the International Shakuhachi Society http://www.komuso.com and ask real nice, you may be permitted to view Watazumi's notation. ISS President, Ronald Nelson is a very standup guy.

Okay. Good. So He's still around. What's the best email? ron@komuso.com or webmaster@komuso.com? I've attempted to contact him twice in the past two weeks, once to purchase the ISS journal and once with some question or another and did not get any response. I know the trials of running a Web site -- it can send even the most sane and well-balanced of us screaming into the deep dark night -- so I thought maybe the webmaster was on hiatus.

BTW, Brian, which avatar looks most like you, the Samuel Beckett one or the Rock Star one?

Thanks again,

Chris


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#4 2005-10-18 08:52:46

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Re: Chikuho notation and Watazumi

Chris Moran wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

If you join the International Shakuhachi Society http://www.komuso.com and ask real nice, you may be permitted to view Watazumi's notation. ISS President, Ronald Nelson is a very standup guy.

Okay. Good. So He's still around. What's the best email? ron@komuso.com or webmaster@komuso.com? I've attempted to contact him twice in the past two weeks, once to purchase the ISS journal and once with some question or another and did not get any response. I know the trials of running a Web site -- it can send even the most sane and well-balanced of us screaming into the deep dark night -- so I thought maybe the webmaster was on hiatus.

BTW, Brian, which avatar looks most like you, the Samuel Beckett one or the Rock Star one?

Thanks again,

Chris

Several of us have been trying to find Ron lately to no avail. Since he is a very conscientious individual, I assume he is on vacation. Just be patient and he will eventually get back to you.

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#5 2005-10-19 02:50:06

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Re: Chikuho notation and Watazumi

Tairaku wrote:

On the outside I look like a Rock Star, but on the inside I feel like Samuel Beckett.

Better than visa-versa, I suppose.

The joke is on me that I am continually trying to "discover" Watazumi Roshi's formalist roots, but never succeed. Possibly there are none? Earlier in the year I was off on a similarly caffeine-induced tangent attempting to conceptually connect Watazumido with Satoh Seibi. Must be my very un-zenlike underlying need for order and logic, yet unfulfilled.


- Chris


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#6 2005-10-19 09:10:42

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Re: Chikuho notation and Watazumi

Chris Moran wrote:

The joke is on me that I am continually trying to "discover" Watazumi Roshi's formalist roots, but never succeed. Possibly there are none? Earlier in the year I was off on a similarly caffeine-induced tangent attempting to conceptually connect Watazumido with Satoh Seibi. Must be my very un-zenlike underlying need for order and logic, yet unfulfilled.- Chris

Read Riley Lee's informative and funny PhD. thesis "Yearning for the Bell" which is available on http://www.shakuhachi.com/ (go to "books").

One of the things he discusses there are the people who influenced him (or didn't, according to Watazumi). One of Watazumi's quirks was claiming not to have learned anything from other people.

Watazumi came from the Itchoken line of Myoan players. That tells you where he was coming from in terms of lineage and repertoire. Many of the Dokyoku pieces derive from Watazumi's adaptations and variations of those pieces. He was also heavily into improvisation.

Here's what they have to say about it on http://www.komuso.com

"While Watazumi said he had not teachers, some of the following may be true:

Before Watazumi-do was named Watazumi-do, his name was Tanaka Masaru. When he was twenty years old, he studied from a man named Nakamura Kikufu who studied with Sakurai Muteki, who studied with Okamoto Chikugai. He is also said to have studied under Uramoto. From what we have heard he studied with many teachers so it's possible he studied with all of these men as well. He may have also studied with Higuchi Taizan (35th Kansu of the Meian Line), who studied with Miyagawa Nyozan, who studied with Tani Kyochiku."


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