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#1 2010-04-04 20:20:12

Tairaku 太楽
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WHY? Play U like this?

Megus wrote:

play U with 1st and 3rd holes shaded

Can someone explain to me why people want to do it this way? Overcomplicated. sad


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#2 2010-04-04 21:34:53

edosan
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Tairaku wrote:

Megus wrote:

play U with 1st and 3rd holes shaded

Can someone explain to me why people want to do it this way? Overcomplicated. sad

It's the Kawase way.

End of history.


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It takes effort to attain nothingness.
And then what do you have?
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#3 2010-04-04 21:44:24

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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Tairaku wrote:

Megus wrote:

play U with 1st and 3rd holes shaded

Can someone explain to me why people want to do it this way? Overcomplicated. sad

Because that's the way it is in Takashi Tokuyama's "Path of Bamboo" book. Or something like that, I think he has holes 2 and 3 shaded and hole 1 closed.

So, are you saying I'm not wrong when I play it by just half-holing hole 3? That one works in both octaves, that's why I like it.


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#4 2010-04-04 23:03:45

Moran from Planet X
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

1 and 3 shaded is the way I was taught by Yoshizawa Masakazu  (for Kinko and Jin Nyodo's music) and Bill Shozan Schultz for Taizan Ha Meian music. Speaking otsu only.

Different tone color than 3 open, 1-2-4-5 closed.

3 open, 1-2-4-5 closed version is more clear. 3 and 1 shaded is fuzzier.

For moving between U and Tsu-meri or U-meri and Tsu-dai-meri it seems quite useful.


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#5 2010-04-04 23:21:24

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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

There are two lovely fingerings (3 open head down) (1 and 3 open head down) and you don't have to shade 1 or 3. Those are the ones I use most of the time.

I have an aversion to optional and/or unnecessary shading. My hands are too big to mess around with that stuff. cool


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#6 2010-04-05 01:55:42

Kiku Day
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

I have learned 1 and 3 shaded from Simura in Myōan Taizan-ha style. They differentiate between the sound colour of the notes with or without shading. smile
But most of the time I personally use 3 open head down as Tairaku writes for U in otsu - when I play Zensabō style honkyoku. For U in kan it is a whole different story.


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#7 2010-04-05 05:00:26

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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

edosan wrote:

Tairaku wrote:

Megus wrote:

play U with 1st and 3rd holes shaded

Can someone explain to me why people want to do it this way? Overcomplicated. sad

It's the Kawase way.

End of history.

Absolutely correct. My teacher took lessons from Kawase-sensei so that's why I play U this way smile

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#8 2010-04-05 21:46:19

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

The sound you get from fingerings like that depends quite a bit upon what size flute you are using, the size of the mouthpiece, bore, holes etc. A thin flute with small holes will change dramatically when shading 1 for example but if you do it on a huge fat hocchiku then not as much happens.


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#9 2010-04-07 18:07:52

Kiku Day
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Ohhh... I can see that I owe you guys an answer. But I am SO tired after having played sankyoku for 7 hours and in reality have to finish my paper on naughty shakuhachi players I am to present at the annual conference of the British Forum for Ethnomusicology on Friday. I am going to bed for a few hours and wake up to finish the paper....
I will try to answer Monday or so when I am back from Oxford where the conference is. If I forget please do send me a reminder email.
Just want you to know I am not ignoring the questions or running away from them smile


I am a hole in a flute
that the Christ's breath moves through
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#10 2010-04-07 19:43:15

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Kiku Day wrote:

have to finish my paper on naughty shakuhachi players

? yikes


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#11 2010-04-08 01:40:21

Kiku Day
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Tairaku wrote:

Kiku Day wrote:

have to finish my paper on naughty shakuhachi players

? yikes

Nishimura and Watazumi smile and their influence on shakuhachi music.
Very naughty players - stepping out of the iemoto system and proclaim to be playing on another instrument! tsk tsk tsk...


I am a hole in a flute
that the Christ's breath moves through
listen to this music
Hafiz

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#12 2010-04-08 02:43:01

Tairaku 太楽
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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

Kiku Day wrote:

Very naughty players - stepping out of the iemoto system and proclaim to be playing on another instrument! tsk tsk tsk...

Seems normal to me!

Make sure to link to it here when it's done.


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#13 2010-05-20 00:37:19

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Re: WHY? Play U like this?

This thread's title sounds like it was a text from Yoda.  big_smile 

I have run into the same question, as the Masa/Thompson "lineage" is to shade 1 and 3.  Kakizakai-sensei suggested the non-shaded way.  I can't recall why he said that...mainly because it's easier, I think.  The non-shaded way is a little more 'closed' and has less of an 'awwh' sound in it, at least on my table leg flute.  I'm learning Sanya Sugagaki and the non-shaded way does sound pretty good.

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