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#1 2008-07-23 14:17:23

From: Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
Registered: 2006-06-22
Posts: 145

Most common note combinations?

Hey everyone....

I've been listening to a LOT of honkyoku lately and i've noticed that there seem to be certain combintations of intervals/notes
that are played more often than others. 

such as Ha Ro, or Tsu Re....

is there a (somewhat) complete list of "must know" intervals that pop up a lot in traditional music?

I'm practicing Ha Ro quite a lot and find that isolating that inverval alone has worked well. 

I know, i know, ideally in a perfect world we should practice them all..... but how about a short list of "uber important intervals"

thanks in advance.


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#2 2008-07-23 14:37:28

From: Cape Coral, FL
Registered: 2008-04-05
Posts: 529

Re: Most common note combinations?

I am pretty new to Honkyoku, so I don't have a list for you.  However, I have been doing the same thing for some of the combinations in Kyorei and noticed some improvement as well.

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#3 2008-07-23 14:54:55

Jon Kypros
From: Norfolk VA
Registered: 2008-06-28
Posts: 259

Re: Most common note combinations?

in kan, chi meru to hi and otsu u to ri. in kan ha ni-yon-go (2.4.5) to ah, and ah to hi. otsu or kan tsu meru to ro is common. also in kan chi meru to u comes to mind. u san (kan) to chi. hi meru to chi. otsu u dai-meru to tsu meru. you can reverse a lot of these to.

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#4 2008-07-23 16:23:23

From: Czech Republic
Registered: 2007-03-02
Posts: 189

Re: Most common note combinations?


I think I have heard about a an academic article which talks about all the elements(or phrases) that exist in the honkyoku. I tried to find it but so far with no success. Can anyone help?
The whole of honkyoku seems to be pretty much like an asamblage of a set of beads on a string. The set remains the same, yet the order changes. My 2 cents.



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#5 2008-07-23 20:19:56

From: Ozello Trail, Fla
Registered: 2005-10-10
Posts: 109

Re: Most common note combinations?

Carl Abbott's "Blowing Zen" has a list of common Hon Kyoku phrases (pgs. B25 - B26).......



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